X Windows ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:44:39 -0800 From: Tom Linden Subject: Scrollbar problem Running a test program on VMS which launches dbg which displays on a laptop running XP/Excursion and I get following warning on the VMS side (actually on a PuTTY window on an W2K server to the VMS box) X Toolkit Warning: Name: src_vert_sbar Class: XmScrollBar The specified scrollbar value is greater than the maximum scrollbar value minus the scrollbar slider size. Anybody know where I fix this? is it VMS, Excursion or PuTTY? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.terminals References: Message-ID: <130hsnd82odj5d2@corp.supernews.com> Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:33:17 -0000 From: Thomas Dickey Subject: Re: Scrollbar problem Tom Linden wrote: > > Running a test program on VMS which launches dbg which displays on > a laptop running XP/Excursion and I get following warning on the > VMS side (actually on a PuTTY window on an W2K server to the VMS box) Google indicates that Excursion is an X GUI (most likely). PuTTY is not (it's a native Windows app). There might be some VMS app that you're running inside Excursion. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net/ ftp://invisible-island.net/ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.112.167.42 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 05:44:19 +0000 (UTC) References: <1129157656.066511.219710@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1129182254.078550.201960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Date: 12 Oct 2005 22:44:14 -0700 From: tunla Subject: Re: VNC and XDMCP and dtlogin and Xaccess on Solaris 9 tunla wrote: > > if put : > > *.domainname.com > > in the Xaccess file I am permitted to login. > however if i put: > > Hostname1.domainname.com # for the client > Hostname2.domainname.com # for the VNC server > > in the Xaccess file , im not allowed access. > truss shows that XDMCP comes back with the msg: > " Display not authorized to connect" SOLVED: The Xaccess XDMCP mechanism governs a remote Xservers access to local X clients. After a night's sleep I realised that Xvnc is not remote at all. Xvnc is alocal Xserver, just as Xsun is ! To allow Xvnc through the XDMCP Xaccess mechanism the Xaccess file needs to be populated with the entry: " localhost " Regards, //Lars ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris Path: stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!cs.utk.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com !howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!metro.atlanta.com!lefebvre Organization: Group sys Consulting Lines: 54 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <53lk34$35b@metro.atlanta.com> References: <53ivjp$gt7@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:03:16 GMT From: wnl@groupsys.com Subject: Re: Bungled permissions - no su tools... (X authority) In article <53ivjp$gt7@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, SMS/Christian Fowler wrote: > > when in openwin logged in with normal user, I "su - root" and then try to > run admintool. I get "Error: Can't open display" > > however, I can run the admintool when logged in to openwin as root. > > For a while I was getting errorsin the console window saying > "permission denied: xlib (something or other)" > > ANy ideas? Well, I can't be certain without the actual error messages, but I suspect that this is related to X authorization (and not file permissions....well at least not directly). By default, openwin uses what's called "MIT Magic Cookie" authorization to ensure that unauthorized individuals aren't able to open connections to your X server (that's the process that directly controls your monitor and reads your keystrokes and mouse movements). A randon number is created when X starts up---this is the cookie--- and is stored in a file in your home directory called .Xauthority. This is not an ASCII file, but you can see the contents of this file with the command "xauth list". When an X client opens a connection to your server, it must present this cookie before the server will allow the connection to complete. Therefore, anyone who can open and read this file can open connections to your X server. Which is why it is protected so that only the owner can read it (mode 600). This all works fine as long as the X client application knows WHERE the file is. And herein lies your problem (I think). When you do "su - root", you have instructed su to alter the environment. As the man page for su says: "the environment will be changed to what would be expected if the user actually logged in as the specified user." This would include $HOME. Any X application that gets started after this would try to get the cookie out of .Xauthority in root's home and would fail miserably. As someone else suggested, if you run "su root" instead, $HOME will not be altered and the correct .Xauthority file will be located. Note, however, that if the original home directory was located on a remotely mounted file system, chances are good that root will not be able to read the file and will still be unable to open the connection to the X server. -- William LeFebvre Group sys Consulting +1 770 813 3224 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Path: utkcs2!emory!samsung!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpfcso!hppad!bigelow Message-ID: <1050006@hppad.HP.COM> References: <1990Jul10.221629.28093@ra.src.umd.edu> Organization: HP Panacom Automation Div Waterloo, Ont. Lines: 44 Date: 16 Jul 1990 16:33:24 GMT From: bigelow@hppad.HP.COM (Paul Bigelow) Subject: Re: HP's X-terminal & fonts > on the X-terminal the characters seem reversed left-to-right. Apparently > font formats are different for the 835 and the X-terminal, but: > (1) why? > (2) how can I fix this? There are at least two ways an X application can display fonts. It can make use of the font files the X server has available or it can display bitmaps, essentially creating its own fonts. I'm not very familiar with texx, but I suspect it does the latter, based on the left-right reversal you are seeing. Font Files ---------- In the case of font files, each server uses fonts in the Server Normal Font (SNF) format. These can be unique to the server, and are analogous to compiled C programs. Binaries from one machine seldom run on a machine with a different architecture. Fonts in Bitmap Distribution Format (BDF) are analogous to C source code. They can be compiled into the HP 700/X snf format with the xtbdftosnf utility, supplied with the 700/X software. If you have workstation fonts in the snf or scf (compressed) format for that workstation, they can be translated into 700/X snf format with the xtsnftosnf utility (again, supplied with the 700/X software). Bitmaps ------- I'm not an Xlib jock, but I have bumped into other applications with the same left-right reversal symptom. The problem occurs when displaying a bitmap created on a machine with different byte ordering. Programmers sometimes use a call such as XCreatePixmapFromBitmapData. The recommended way is to do it in several steps. 1. Use XCreateImage to create an XImage structure. 2. Set the bitmap_bit_order and byte_order fields in the XImage stucture to match the machine that the bitmaps were created on. 3. Use XPutImage to output the bitmap. Please let me know how you make out. Paul Bigelow Hewlett-Packard Panacom Automation Division bigelow@hppad.hp.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:45:31 -0500 From: Aaron Nienhuis Subject: Re: X FontSets on 10.20 Gary Aviv wrote in message ... >Whenever I run a program that uses FontSets I get: > >Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion >Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > >This includes programs that use Athena widgets. I presume this is a locale >problem but I have not been able to figure it out. Any ideas? > > >| Gary Aviv | Computer Generation, Inc. | >| email: gary@compgen.com | Atlanta, GA | I saw basically the same problem when I upgraded from 10.01 to 10.20. This is what the HP Response Center told me. It seems a little hokey, but it works. First, verify that the font-server has been added to your font path using: "xset -q". Look for an entry "Font Path: tcp/:7000". If this is not present, you can add the font-server to the current session using: "xset fp+ tcp/:7000". The "Missing charsets ... " error is most likely due to older applications being run/displayed on you Xserver. CDE (& VUE @ 10.x) sets font resources using a "fontset" notation. You can see these resources by running: "xrdb -q | grep -i font". You will notice that some of these resources have a trailing ":". Older clients that either have a static copy of Motif/Xlib or are being displayed from a 9.x system (ie, sam, gpm, etc) do not deal with these resources very well. As a suggestion, you can try stripping the trailing colon from those entries using this command: "xrdb -q | grep Font | sed s/:$//g|xrdb -m". If this works, you can setup your session to run this command automatically when loggin in. Create the file "$HOME/.dt/sessions/sessionetc" containing the command and change the permission bits to be executable: "chmod 755 sessionetc". Hope this helps, Aaron ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Message-ID: <107840003@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Organization: 4984 feet Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com !col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!daniel References: <107840002@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 18:59:29 GMT From: daniel@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Daniel Krulewitch) Subject: Re: Xterm Help! - logging on/off I wrote: > Is there any way I can toggle on/off logging while I am in the middle > of an Xterm session. After reading the man page I found out how to turn > loggin on/off for the whole session, but I would like to be able to > suspend logging intil I find the section I need to log. Please explain > via e-mail! > And the answer is.... Control key with left/right mouse button! Thanks to all who responded! dANIEL ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: cs.utk.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!atglab.bls.com!gatech !newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu !csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Message-ID: <41fo1n$l2n@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: 23 Aug 1995 13:20:55 -0400 From: jmaxwell@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jon A. Maxwell) Subject: X Windows Security Flaws Security Flaw: XGrabKeyboard does not prevent apps from using XQueryKeymap to poll the keyboard. The result is that programs can find out what is being typed even while under xterm secure mode or xdm login (if it was set up not to use XGrabServer(), which is likely the case). I figure this isn't too big of a deal because the x keyboard extension will do the same thing, I believe. However, it works on every X system I've tried, extensions or not. Security Concern: By changing the keymap, an application can effectively 'tell' the user what to type; make all keys translate to the next key you want to be typed (you want the user to type 'a', so you make every key be the 'a' key). This works reliably on my 20 mips DECstation at typing speeds, so I imagine on newer computers it would work flawlessly (speed is an issue because after you tell the Xserver a new keymap, the clients have to 'ask' for an update). Both of these only work if you can get a connection to the X server, so they aren't really a major problem. So, does anybody have any objections to me posting programs that demonstrate these two examples? -- thur Mail Address: LordArthur@vt.edu or jmaxwell@vt.edu n r a JAMax "Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but h o w let wasps and hornets break through." tan lle --Jonathan Swift ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris NNTP-Posting-Host: apocalypse.ocf.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:44:26 +0000 (UTC) References: Message-ID: Organization: University of California, Berkeley Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:44:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: To Alan Coopersmith (was: fontserver dying) Frank Giessler writes in comp.unix.solaris: | | ld.so.1: xfs: fatal: relocation error: file | /usr/openwin/server/lib/libfont.so.1: symbol Xcalloc: referenced symbol not found | | backing out 112785-58 helps (revision is now 52). Yeps. I broke it all right. New patches are being spun now and a Sun Alert should be issued too. (Solaris 10 and later are okay because xfs in those defines Xcalloc - it was just the backports to S8 and S9 that broke and somehow escaped detection before release.) http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6506010 [The server I had been logging into to read Usenet has been down a lot lately, so I haven't been checking as much as I used to.] -- ________________________________________________________________________ Alan Coopersmith * alanc@alum.calberkeley.org * Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~alanc/ * http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/ Working for, but definitely not speaking for, Sun Microsystems, Inc. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!willis1.cis.uab.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!uunet!mcsun!hp4at!sun!andi Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H Lines: 67 Sender: andi@sun (Andreas Rektenwald) Distribution: world Message-ID: <248k9n$2rp@hp4at.eunet.co.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: xsoft.co.at Date: 10 Aug 1993 17:01:43 GMT From: andi@sun.xsoft.co.at (Andreas Rektenwald) Subject: Xtty - MOTIF on ASCII Terminals !!!!! Brief overview: --------------- - Real X-Server for ASCII terminals - Window Manager - Multiple Sessions with Resize, Move, Iconize - same as on X - Motif programs run on ASCII terminals without change - No recompilation or relink necessary - Supports all Motif widgets (beside DrawingArea) - One application for two different kind of terminals - can still run ASCII applications in xterms More information: ----------------- On the node eunet.co.at you can obtain the following files via anonymous ftp: /pub/vendor/xsoft/Xtty.ps.Z short information with graphics, about 7 pages /pub/vendor/xsoft/guide.ps.Z complete manual In these directories also reside the binaries for Xtty, but unless you havn't got a license key it makes no sense to obtain them. All these files are compressed postscript files. If you have no ftp access, please tell me to send it as a mail or letter. Pricing: -------- Base license 1 user $ 350 US Base license 4 user $ 980 US 8 user $ 1350 US 16 user $ 1950 US 32 user $ 3000 US Product includes: ----------------- - X11R5 (libraries, Xserver, man) - Motif 1.2.2 (full development with mwm, uil, ...) - Xtty (X server for ASCII terminals) - Clients for Xtty: ttyinit, ttyterm, tmwm Available for following platforms: ---------------------------------- - Sun (OS 4.1.x and Solaris) - HP (Motorola and Risc) - AIX - SCO Unix will follow Andreas Rektenwald arw@xsoft.co.at Xsoft EDP Development Corp, Vienna Radetzkystrasse 26/6, 1030 Vienna, Austria Tel: +43 (1) 7129317 fax: +43 (1) 7129317-18 - IBM (AIX) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: utkcs2!emory!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!usgcdh.uucp!manager Message-ID: <322.26c6c4e4@usgcdh.uucp> Organization: Computer Associates International Lines: 27 Date: 13 Aug 1990 15:19:00 GMT From: manager@usgcdh.uucp Subject: DECwindows over CMU TCP/IP (it works!) I just wanted to let the general VAX/VMS public know that CMU TCP/IP now is capable of supporting DECwindows applications with DECW$TRANSPORT_CMU.EXE (actually DECW_TRANSPORT_CMU.EXE to be precise). An HP-UX X client (Xclock) displayed quite nicely on a VAXstation II/GPX running DECwindows and CMU TCP/IP v6.4 with the recently-posted DECwindows transport. The converse also worked: DECW$CLOCK on the VAX displaying on the HP-UX server. For those who haven't given it much thought yet, the implication is that one can purchase a *color* X terminal from a vendor that only supports TCP/IP in their hardware and use it with the VAXen. VT1000's are nice, but they are slow and they are monochrome. And on the PC front, while I haven't *quite* succeeded in getting an MS-DOS-based X server to interoperate with DECwindows over TCP/IP, I *have* gotten as far as logging into the VAX via DECW$STARTLOGIN. I think the problem I'm having is client/server security now. Stay tuned... The CMU stuff is discussed on the CMU-TEK-TCP Internet mailing list. Requests to CMU-TEK-TCP-REQUEST@andrew.cmu.edu, I believe. -- Todd Aven Manager, Mid-range Computer Services Computer Associates International Internet: manager@cai.com UUCP: uupsi!usgcdh!manager ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: utkcs2!emory!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!ucbvax !ncdlab.ulcc.ac.uk!KEVIN Message-ID: <9008142104.AA02125@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Date: 14 Aug 1990 18:12:00 GMT From: KEVIN@ncdlab.ulcc.ac.uk ("Kevin Ashley - ULCC Network Development Group.") Subject: XCHOMP and XAQUARIUM available from fileserv@ncdlab.ulcc.ac.uk Two X windows programs, checked out under DECwindows V1 and above, are available from the mail server fileserv@ncdlab.ulcc.ac.uk. Jerry Shekhel's XCHOMP is a Pac-man like game in B+W. It is very useable, even on a low-end VAXstation. Jonathan Greenblatt's XAQUARIUM needed some work to port to VMS. It draws a realistic and relaxing aquarium behind your root window. Don't confuse this with xfish - they aren't at all the same. Notes: Send a message containing HELP to find out how to use the mail server. Sorry, but we can't handle mail from the usenet world right now, although we hope to RSN. Enjoy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Ashley janet: K.Ashley@Uk.Ac.Ulcc.Ncdlab Network Development Group Telephone: +44 71 405 8400 University of London Computer Centre. Arpa: K.Ashley@Ncdlab.ulcc.Ac.uk OR K.Ashley%Ncdlab.ulcc.Ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Bitnet/EARN: K.Ashley@ncdlab.ulcc.ac.uk OR K.Ashley%Uk.ac.ulcc.ncdlab@UKACRL Ean: K.Ashley@Ncdlab.Ulcc.Ac.Uk ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: utkcs2!emory!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl !bacchus.pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!peachs.enet.dec.com!beldin Message-ID: <1900@shodha.enet.dec.com> Sender: news@shodha.enet.dec.com Distribution: comp Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 24 Date: 30 Oct 1990 00:44:49 GMT From: beldin@peachs.enet.dec.com (Rick Beldin) Subject: Re: Where is documentation on UIL? In article <657138922.320000.MLEO@cdev.cfsmo.honeywell.com>, MLEO@CDEV.CFSMO.HONEYWELL.COM ("Michael Leo, 612-785-4219") writes... >Dear Infovaxeritenexens: > > I am posting this on behalf of someone else. This person is >investigating user interfaces, and would like to know where the >DECwindows UIL language/compiler is documented, if at all. > The UIL compiler is documented in the VMS Decwindows docset, volume 1A, as the VMS DECwindows User Interface Language Reference Manual. The VMS DECwindows programming docs are a separate piece from the 'regular' VMS docs. It is also on the bookreader format online docs in the DECwindows Programming shelf. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Beldin email: beldin@rhett.enet.dec.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | VMS Workstation Support | | Alpharetta, GA | | | | "Opinions expressed are my own - definitely not those of my employer" | | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,alt.books.technical Path: utkcs2!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!unido !gmdzi!berlage Keywords: X Motif Message-ID: <4460@gmdzi.gmd.de> Followup-To: poster Organization: GMD, St. Augustin, F.R. Germany Date: 4 Apr 1991 11:26:55 GMT From: berlage@gmdzi.gmd.de (Thomas Berlage) Subject: New book on Motif programming available A new book on OSF/Motif (mine) is now available: Thomas Berlage OSF/Motif: Concepts and Programming Addison-Wesley 1991 496pp. paper ISBN 0-201-55792-4 The book was printed in the UK, but should have reached the US by now. To order, contact your bookseller or local Addison-Wesley office. Price may vary depending on country. The book contains - An explanation of the underlying concepts (X and Toolkit Intrinsics). - An extensive description of the Motif toolkit, explaining features that are barely touched in the OSF reference manuals. - Several example programs demonstrating program design and widget programming. The example programs are available for anonymous ftp on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.30.0.238) in the /contrib directory under the name berlage.motif.tar.Z (thanks to MIT for providing this service). Thomas Berlage (berlage@gmdzi.gmd.de) GMD (German National Research Center for Computer Science) P.O. Box 1240, W-5205 Sankt Augustin 1, Germany Phone: +49 2241 14-2078 Fax: +49 2241 14-2889 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc Path: utkcs2!memstvx1!ukma!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde !zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!rutgers!njin!spcvxb.spc.edu!terry Message-ID: <1991Jun3.201619.1422@spcvxb.spc.edu> References: <1991Jun3.121454.12863@pbs.org> Organization: St. Peter's College, US Lines: 15 Date: 3 Jun 1991 20:16:19 GMT From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: What is an "imakefile."? In article <1991Jun3.121454.12863@pbs.org>, sdroppers@pbs.org writes: > > I know what a "makefile." is, and I know what a "descrip.mms" file is, > but what, folks, is an "imakefile."? It's an X Windows thing. It describes the files needed to build an app- lication, but in an OS-independent manner. It gets run through a prepro- cessor which adds _lots_ of comment lines 8-) and converts it to a makefile for a target environment. I generally look at them to see what sources are used, and then I write a BUILD.COM file for VMS and punt the makefiles. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.bitnet St. Peter's College, US terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (201) 915-9381 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: utkcs2!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!esvax.hamavnet.com!henderson Message-ID: <1991Jun18.172206.64@esvax.hamavnet.com> Organization: Avnet Computer - CTC Group; Culver City, CA Lines: 20 Date: 19 Jun 1991 00:22:06 GMT From: henderson@esvax.hamavnet.com Subject: Part # for OSF/Motif VMS A few days ago, someone posted a question asking how to obtain OSF/Motif for VMS. Well, the part number now exists, and you can buy it from DEC or its distributors. It is QA-YMAAA-H5 (or H8 for CDs) and the TK50 list price is $431. You do need a license for each CPU where the Motif WM is going to run, and the cost of that license is tied to the CPU, like in any other of DEC's layered products. For a MicroVAX II, the license (QL-YMAAN-AA) is $183 list. In regards to the license, interestingly enough the Ultrix license does cover the OSF/Motif WM (yet not a reason to switch over from VMS...) -- Javier Henderson Engineering Services Avnet Computer Los Angeles, CA henderson@hamavnet.com {simpact,asylum,elroy,dhw68k}!hamavnet!henderson ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,alt.books.technical Xref: utkcs2 comp.windows.x:32966 alt.books.technical:547 Path: utkcs2!emory!gatech!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!spool.mu.edu !cs.umn.edu!kksys!pwcs!com50!pai!erc Keywords: Books Message-ID: <1806@pai.UUCP> Organization: Boulware Technologies, Inc., Burnsville, MN Lines: 138 Date: 18 Jun 1991 18:30:12 GMT From: erc@pai.UUCP (Eric F. Johnson) Subject: Books on X Programming X Book List 18 June 91 Here is a list of X-related books broken down into useful categories. Please send me corrections and updated information. Motif Berlage, Thomas, OSF/Motif: Concepts and Programming, Addison-Wesley, UK, 1991. ISBN 0-201-55792-4. Johnson, Eric F. and Kevin Reichard, Power Programming Motif, MIS: Press, Portland, OR, 1991. ISBN 1-55828-059-6. Book with disk, ISBN 1-55828-061-8. Nye, Adrian and Tim O'Reilly, X Toolkit Intrinsics Programming Manual, Motif Edition, O'Reilly and Assoc., Sebastopol, CA, 1991. ISBN 0-937175-62-5. Open Software Foundation, Application Environment Specification (AES): User Environment Volume, Rev. B, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1991. ISBN 0-13-043530-9. Open Software Foundation, OSF/Motif Programmer's Reference, Revision 1.1, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1991. ISBN 0-13-640681-5. Open Software Foundation, OSF/Motif Style Guide, Revision 1.1, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1991. ISBN 0-13-640616-5. Open Software Foundation, OSF/Motif Programmer's Guide, Revision 1.1 Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1991. ISBN 0-13-640673-4. Young, Douglas A., The X Window System: Programming and Applications with Xt, OSF/Motif Edition, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1990. ISBN 0-13-497074-8. X Toolkit Asente, Paul J. and Ralph R. Swick, X Window System Toolkit, Digital Press, Bedford, MA, 1990 (distributed by Prentice Hall). ISBN (Digital Press) 1-55558-051-3, (Prentice Hall) 0-13-972191-6. Keller, Brian J., A Practical Guide to X Window Programming, CRC Press, 1990. ISBN 0-8493-7406-5. McCormack, Joel, Paul Asente and Ralph R. Swick, X Toolkit Intrinsics: C Language Interface, X11 Release 4 version, 1989, MIT X Consortium. This document comes with the X Window System Release 4, from MIT. Nye, Adrian and Tim O'Reilly, X Toolkit Intrinsics Programming Manual, O'Reilly and Assoc., Sebastopol, CA, 1990. ISBN 0-937175-33-1. O'Reilly, Tim (editor), X Toolkit Intrinsics Reference Manual, O'Reilly and Assoc., Sebastopol, CA, 1990. ISBN 0-937175-35-8. Smith, Jerry D., Object-Oriented Programming with the X Window System Toolkits, John Wiley, New York, NY, 1991. ISBN 0-471-53259-2. X Library Barkakati, Nabajyoti, X Window System Programming, SAMS, 1991. ISBN 0-672-22750-9. Johnson, Eric F. and Kevin Reichard, X Window Applications Programming, MIS: Press, Portland, OR, 1989. ISBN 1-55828-016-2. Book with disk ISBN 1-55828-035-9. Johnson, Eric F. and Kevin Reichard, Advanced X Window Applications Programming, MIS: Press, Portland, OR, 1990. ISBN 1-55828-029-4. Book with disk ISBN 1-55828-054-5. Jones, Oliver, Introduction to the X Window System, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1989. ISBN 0-13-499997-5. Nye, Adrian, Xlib Programming Manual, vol. 1, 2nd ed., O'Reilly and Assoc., Sebastopol, CA, 1990. ISBN 0-937175-11-0. Nye, Adrian (editor), Xlib Reference Manual, vol. 2, 2nd ed., O'Reilly and Assoc., Sebastopol, CA, 1990. ISBN 0-937175-12-9. Scheifler, Robert W. and James Gettys, with Jim Flowers, Ron Newman and David Rosenthal, 2nd ed., X Window System: The Complete Reference to Xlib, X Protocol, ICCCM, XLFD, Digital Press, Bedford, MA, 1990. ISBN (Digital Press) 1-5558-050-5, (Prentice Hall) 0-13-972050-2. Open Look AT&T, UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Guide: OPEN LOOK Graphical User Interface, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1989. ISBN 0-13-931908-5. Heller, Dan, XView Programming Manual, O'Reilly and Assoc., Sebastopol, CA, 1990. ISBN 0-937175-52-8. Miller, John David, An OPEN LOOK at UNIX: A Developer's Guide to X, M&T Books, 1990. ISBN 1-55-851057-5. Sun Microsystems, OPEN LOOK: Graphical User Interface Fucntional Specification, Addison-Wesley, Reading, MA, 1990. ISBN 0-201-52365-5. Sun Microsystems, OPEN LOOK: Graphical User Interface Application Style Guidelines, Addison-Wesley, Reading, MA, 1990. ISBN 0-201-52364-7. Quick Reference Guides Mikes, Steven, X Window System Technical Reference, Addison-Wesley, 1990. ISBN 0-201-52370-1. O'Reilly and Assoc., The X Window System in a Nutshell, O'Reilly and Associates, 1990. ISBN 0-937175-24-2. Rost, Randi J., X and Motif Quick Reference Guide, Digital Press, Bedford, MA, 1990 (distributed by Prentice Hall). ISBN (Digital Press) 1-55558-052-1, (Prentice Hall) 0-13-972209-2. Young, Douglas A., OSF/Motif Reference Guide, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1990. ISBN 0-13-642786-3. X User Guides Mansfield, Niall, The X Window System: A User's Guide, Addison-Wesley, Amsterdam, 1989. ISBN 0-201-51341-2. Quercia, Valerie and Tim O'Reilly, X Window System User's Guide, O'Reilly and Assoc., 1990. ISBN 0-937175-14-5. Hope this helps, -Eric -- Eric F. Johnson BTI: Industrial Boulware Technologies, Inc. fax: +1 612 894 0316 automation systems 415 W. Travelers Trail email: erc@pai.mn.org and services Burnsville, MN 55337 USA ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: utkcs2!memstvx1!ukma!rex!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken !ames!usenet Message-ID: <1991Jun29.011023.25438@news.arc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov (USENET Administration) References: <1991Jun28.123729.27467@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA Lines: 58 Date: 29 Jun 1991 01:10:23 GMT From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon) Subject: Re: Spectragraphics X-terminal w/ DECwindows In article <1991Jun28.123729.27467@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, uugblum@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Blumers) writes: #Does anyone have experience running DECwindows on a Spectragraphics LS800 #X-Terminal. One of our VAX users had the misfortune of purchasing two of #these. He can't create a DECterm window. From what I have seen on other #third party window terminals, it probably is due to the lack of DEC fonts. #Any ideas? One test to see "what is going wrong" with DECterm is to do the following: $ SET DISPLAY/NODE=foo/TRANSPORT=bar/CREATE $ SPAWN/NOWAIT RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$TERMINAL $ CREATE/TERMINAL The SPAWN command is so you can see the output from the Terminal Controller (DECW$TERMINAL). If it decides to crash, you will get some indication as to "why". Assuming that other utilities (Clock, Ico, Mail, Etc) work, I would assume it's a font problem. Now the important trick is... how do I fix this mess ? The "best" solution is to either load the missing fonts on to the X terminal, or establish an alias for it. DEC provides a FONTS.ALIAS file examples in DECW$EXAMPLES: Assuming that you can't do either of those, you can force DECterm to use other fonts. This is Unsupported/Undocumented/Uneverything... but it seems to work. Create a defaults file for the Terminal Controller in your SYS$LOGIN directory. The file name is DECW$TERMINAL.DAT, do not confuse this with DECW$TERMINAL_DEFAULTS.DAT !!! In this file, enter two resource entries with fonts that you know are on the X Terminal. For example, the quick test I just came up with is: # # Large font search list # *bigFontSetName: -*-*-*-*-*--24-*-*-*-c-*-*-* # # Small font search list # *littleFontSetName: -*-*-*-*-*--14-*-*-*-c-*-*-* The "big" versus "little" is chosen in one of the customize pull-downs. The "c" indicates you want a font with fixed spacing... the numbers (I believe) are pixel sizes. Keep in mind that whatever font you choose, it will need a "medium" weight and a "bold" weight to work properly. Experiment with various fonts to see if you can come up with a FontSetName that DECterm can live with! Good Luck! John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon : MCMAHON@TGV.COM : TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TGV, Incorporated : : T GGGGGGG V V 603 Mission Street : HAVK (abha) Gur bayl : T G V V Santa Cruz, California 95060 : bcrengvat flfgrz gb : T G GGGG V V 408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 : or qrfgeblrq ol znvy : T GGGGGGG V ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.x Path: utkcs2!gatech!psuvax1!wupost!uunet!ssiny!serge Message-ID: <188@ssiny.UUCP> References: Followup-To: comp.windows.x Distribution: comp Organization: Systems Strategies, Inc., NY, NY Lines: 27 Date: 12 Aug 1991 22:40:08 GMT From: serge@ssiny.UUCP (Serge Oriol) Subject: Re: Help: X386 will not recognize my Logitech mouse. In article , jtsillas@sprite.ma30.bull.com (James Tsillas) writes: > > I have installed X386.1.1b and am using a Logitech mouse. X386 comes up > great but the pointer stays frozen in the center of the screen. I have > tried changing ports and have editted the mouse type line in Xconfig to > great extents with no results. I am running ISC2.2 and have built the > X386 server using gcc-1.40 from the source. The mouse has been tested on > another system. I am assuming that you are using a serial mouse since you said that you tried a different port (unless you have more that one mouse board in your system). Are you sure that your serial ports are configured into the kernel. Someone may have deconfigured one or both of you serial port in order to install another option. Check the file "/etc/conf/sdevice.d/asy" the second field of at least one of the lines in this file should be "Y", if not or if this file does not exist you may not have any serial ports configured on your system. I hope this is of some help, Serge Michael Oriol Systems Strategies, Inc 225 West 34th Street Suite 500 New York, NY 10001 212-279-8400 uunet!ssiny!serge ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!mbunix!dsg From: dsg@mbunix.mitre.org (Goldberg) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Message-ID: Date: 1 Apr 92 16:40:18 GMT Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA. Subject: X Video Class (Summary) Well, there's not much out there. The only place we found was Hands on Learning in Boston, 800-248-9133. We did get offers from several other places to do a live class here and allow us to tape it. That's probably too expensive and we will likely go with HOL. The National Technological University in Ft. Collins Colorado (303) 484-6050 does satelite uplink classes, and they said they might be willing to tape one and sell it to us, but I haven't gotten enough details from them as far as terms etc go, yet. Thanks to everyone who responded. -- Dave Goldberg UNIX Systems Programmer/Administrator Post: The Mitre Corporation MS B020 202 Burlington Rd. Bedford, MA 01730 Phone: 617-271-2460 Domain: dsg@mbunix.mitre.org UUCP: {your neighborhood}!linus!mbunix!dsg ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!memstvx1!ukma!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!trantor.harris-atd.com!FREEDOM!kswatek Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: PC X-Terminal emulations Message-ID: <1992Apr7.170405.13873@trantor.harris-atd.com> From: kswatek@su19az.ess.harris.com (Ken Swatek) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:04:05 GMT Reply-To: kswatek@su19az.ess.harris.com Sender: news@trantor.harris-atd.com (News stuff) Followup-To: comp.windows.x References: <1992Mar30.161409.29788@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Organization: Harris (Government Aerospace Systems) Keywords: MicroX PC X-Term Lines: 38 In article 29788@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de, berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de (Stephen R. van den Berg) writes: > >I was wondering, are there any alternatives to the X-View/ PC/TCP combo from >FTP Inc.? > >Specifically, I am looking for an X-Terminal emulation that can run with >a packet driver under it. >-- >Sincerely, berg@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de > >"Be spontaneous!" I'm currently using a program called MicroX from Starnet Communications. It supports 256 color or mono. With resolutions up to 1024x768. And they include networking software (NCSA packet driver & software). The cost is only $345 for the 386 version and $195 for the 286 version. I use olwm for my window manager. This makes my PC look just like a Sun. I use OpenWindow's Deskset tools and Valid's CAE tools. It all works great. For more info you can contact Greg Mudge at Starnet. His phone number is (408)739-0881 and his E-mail address is mudge@starnet.com Good Luck, Ken ______________________________________________________________________________ Ken Swatek INTERNET: kswatek@su19az.ess.harris.com Harris Corporation UUCP: uunet!su19az!kswatek Government Aerospace Systems Division CCMail: harris.kswatek Mail Stop: 102-4827 FAX: 407-727-4016 P.O. Box 94000 Pager: 407-690-8548 (Digital) Melbourne, Florida 32902 Voice: 407-727-6081 ______________________________________________________________________________ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo !rudolf.nscl.msu.edu!fox Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix Message-ID: <1992Apr15.155011.11822@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Sender: news@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu Reply-To: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox) Followup-To: 1992Apr13.124858.27726@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu Organization: National Superconducting Cyclotron Lab. Lines: 140 Date: 15 Apr 1992 15:50:11 GMT From: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox) Subject: Re: Using SUN workstations with VAXen. -- Many thanks to those who were able to tell me how to re-map SUN keymaps so that I can get a usable PF keypad when logged in to VAXen. I am still looking for a way to remove the missing font warning from the server when things like VUE$MASTER and dxterm. Regarding keyboard mapping In particular, Kurt Wampler suggested using the xterm VT-100 terminal emulator program and using the following resource file additions to re-map the keyboard: xterm*VT100.Translations: #override \n\ F3: string(0x1b) string("[A") \n\ F4: string(0x1b) string("[B") \n\ F5: string(0x1b) string("[D") \n\ F6: string(0x1b) string("[C") \n\ F7: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\ SunF37: string(0x1b) string("Om") \n\ F9: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\ R1: string(0x1b) string("[A") \n\ R2: string(0x1b) string("[B") \n\ R3: string(0x1b) string("[D") \n\ Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("[C") \n\ R4: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\ R5: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\ R6: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\ KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\ R7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\ R8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\ Up: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\ R9: string(0x1b) string("Oy") \n\ R10: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\ Left: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\ R11: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\ R12: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\ Right: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\ R13: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\ R14: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\ Down: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\ F35: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\ KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\ KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\ KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\ KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") Jim Pflugrath suggested using xmodmap to re-map the keyboard for the entire set of X windows using xmodmap. His input file follows: Jim ! Last modified: 9-Sep-1990 ! ! Input file for xmodmap. This file is used to re-map a Sun4 right ! keypad into a VT100 style right keypad. ! ! See 'man xmodmap' for more details. ! ! Usage: xmodmap this_file ! ! Or place following 3 lines into ~/.xinitrc !if [ -f $HOME/.xmodmaprc ]; then ! xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmaprc # Install user-defined keyboard mapping !fi ! ! ! +-------+-------+-------+-------+ ! Keycode| 28 | 29 | 30 | 105 | ! | | | | | ! VT100 | <- | -> | , |Nm_Lock| ! +-------+-------+-------+-------+ ! | 52 | 53 | 54 | 78 | ! | | | | | ! | PF1 | PF2 | PF3 | PF4 | ! +-------+-------+-------+-------+ ! | 75 | 76 | 77 | 132 | ! | | | | | ! | 7 | 8 | 9 | - | Shift 8 is Up ! +-------+-------+-------+ | Shift 4 is Left ! | 98 | 99 | 100 | | Shift 6 is Right ! | | | | , | Shift 2 is Down ! | 4 | 5 | 6 | | ! +-------+-------+-------+-------+ To get the Sun4 keys as labelled ! | 119 | 120 | 121 | 97 | on the keypad be sure that ! | | | | | Num_Lock is engaged (except for ! | 1 | 2 | 3 | E | the + key. ! +-------+-------+-------+ n | ! | 101 | 57 | t | ! | | | e | ! | 0 | . | r | ! +---------------+-------+-------+ ! keycode 28 = Left keycode 29 = Right keycode 30 = KP_Separator comma keycode 52 = KP_F1 KP_Equal keycode 53 = KP_F2 KP_Divide keycode 54 = KP_F3 KP_Multiply keycode 78 = KP_F4 KP_Subtract ! ! The Sun4 + key is really 2 VT100 keys: , and - so use the Shift modifier ! to mimic this. This means the loss of the normal Sun4 function ! keycode 132 = KP_Separator KP_Subtract KP_Add keycode 75 = KP_7 keycode 76 = KP_8 Up keycode 77 = KP_9 keycode 98 = KP_4 Left keycode 99 = KP_5 keycode 100 = KP_6 Right keycode 119 = KP_1 keycode 120 = KP_2 Down keycode 121 = KP_3 keycode 101 = KP_0 keycode 57 = KP_Decimal keycode 97 = KP_Enter I chose to go the xterm direction with a few additional resources to change the window geometry and enlarge the fonts so that they're readable. My reasoning here was that that would preserve the functionality of the SUN keyboard when I was running windows that are 'SUN' generated. Ron Fox | FOX@MSUNSCL.BITNET | Where the name NSCL | FOX@RUDOLF.NSCL.MSU.EDU | goes on before Michigan State University | MSUHEP::RUDOLF::FOX | the quality East Lansing, MI 48824-1321 | | goes in. USA ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: utkcs2!gatech!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!thompsn From: thompsn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Adam Thompson) Subject: Re: Basic Info :X terminals Message-ID: <1992Oct21.143502.17371@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1992Oct20.193056.17228@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 14:35:02 GMT Lines: 26 In <1992Oct20.193056.17228@zip.eecs.umich.edu> afe@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Afzal Mazhar) writes: >I am interested in purchasing a terminal capable of emulating >an xterm. What I am hoping for is the ability to run X applications on >remote servers with the display set to my terminal via the phone lines. >The terminal is to be used with a high speed modem (>14400). >I am not sure if this is feasible. >Could someone shed some light on this topic. I would like to know if >what I want is feasible, and if so, where can I purchase the necessary >equipment ? >Afzal Mazhar >afe@quip.eecs.umich.edu Well, you're basically looking at buying an NCD (Network Computing Devices) product. Either XRemote, currently available in ROM for NCD terminals, or PC-XView, available soon. -Adam Thompson thompsn@ccu.umanitoba.ca -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Adam Thompson University of Manitoba Computer Services | | thompsn@ccu.umanitoba.ca OLC Team | | UNIX Programmer they call me... so how come I never program? | ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!gatech!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!ogicse!hp-cv!sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hpscdm!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!hppad.waterloo.hp.com!hart From: hart@waterloo.hp.com (Tony Hart) Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: Re: Basic Info :X terminals Message-ID: Date: 21 Oct 92 16:31:20 GMT References: <1992Oct21.143502.17371@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@waterloo.hp.com (NetNews) Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Adam Thompson (thompsn@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : Well, you're basically looking at buying an NCD (Network Computing Devices) : product. Either XRemote, currently available in ROM for NCD terminals, or : PC-XView, available soon. Or you can use SLIP/CSLIP, available from most X terminal vendors, non-proprietary, and having capabilities not available with XRemote (e.g. remote printers) :-). Tony Hart, Panacom Automation Division, Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Ltd. Standard Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent an official statement of the Hewlett-Packard Company. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!yale.edu!think.com!ames!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!shaman!palouse!johnk From: johnk@palouse.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Kihn) Newsgroups: comp.terminals Subject: Re: Basic Info :X terminals Message-ID: <2053@shaman.wv.tek.com> Date: 29 Oct 92 01:26:30 GMT References: <1992Oct20.193056.17228@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@shaman.wv.tek.com Lines: 30 Tektronix' X terminals can support running X over serial lines using Serial Xpress. Here is a brief overview of Serial Xpress. Simply stated, Serial Xpress is a means by which X applications can be run on a remote computer over RS-232 lines with resonable performance. SXp is easy to use and install. SXp was designed to meet the needs of those persons that would like to run X from a remote location. SXp does not run on top of any existing protocols like SLIP, or PPP, but instead has a transport protocol built in. In X terminology, client applications make requests to the server, and the server sends replies to the client. In order for X requests and replies to be transmitted with reasonable performance over a serial line, they must be compressed, and request and replies from different clients must be interleaved on the line. This is how SXp works. Basically, a process is run on a host that becomes the X terminal's "PSEUDO SERVER". This is where all the X requests that would normally be sent to the terminal are routed. The "PSEUDO SERVER" takes the X requests, compresses them, multiplexes the requests for different clients, and transmits them to the X terminal. The X terminal also has a process running internally that demultiplexes requests for different clients,decompresses those requests, and sends them to the true X server. The process running on the terminal also compresses and multiplexes the replies for transmission. By the way it is much faster than Xremote and can support network and serial connections simultaneously. John Kihn NWD Product Marketing 503-685-2346 800-225-5434 (Sales Information) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: utkcs2!utkux1.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!uunet!mcsun!dxcern!dxcoms!jmg From: jmg@dxcoms.cern.ch (J.M. Gerard) Subject: Re: Basic Info :X terminals Message-ID: Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics References: <1992Oct20.193056.17228@zip.eecs.umich.edu> <2053@shaman.wv.tek.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 09:21:28 GMT Lines: 18 johnk@palouse.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Kihn) writes: >Tektronix' X terminals can support running X over serial lines using >Serial Xpress. Here is a brief overview of Serial Xpress. >By the way it is much faster than Xremote and can support network and serial >connections simultaneously. But Xremote is widely used and also available on PCs and in some terminal servers. Serial Xpress may be technically better but is it going to get the market acceptance that will make it worthwhile? I personally will prefer a product also available on the PCs, while waiting for some standards committee to define some international standard which might or might not be an existing de facto standard and might or might not then take over the world. I know there is such work going on somewhere, but I don't remember the details. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!emory!europa.asd.contel.com!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!noao!arizona!arizona.edu!telcom.arizona.edu!leonard From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: xterm for VMS available? Keywords: xterm,vms Message-ID: <1992Dec18.105446.4144@arizona.edu> Date: 18 Dec 92 17:54:45 GMT References: <1992Dec17.215159.5750@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: penny.telcom.arizona.edu The newest version of XTERM for VMS, version 2.1, has just been made available, thanks to the good work of Patrick Mahan of TGV. XTERM supports VT102 and Tek 4014 emulation. I'm not sure what all goodness is newly implemented in this version. However, it is NOT "8-bit clean". XTERM V2.1 requires MOTIF. XTERM is available via anonymous FTP on Arizona.EDU (preferred target host: Osprey.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.232]) in the file [software.vms.xterm]xterm021.bck. If your FTP client is incapable of negotiating VMS file structure, then FTP the saveset in binary mode and use a utility such as Joe Meadows' FILE to set the recordsize to 2048 bytes. I will NOT e-mail this saveset to those who lack Internet access. Perhaps a VMS mailserver site may wish to provide access. Aaron Aaron Leonard (AL104), University of Arizona Network Operations, Tucson AZ 85721 P.S. If you are running DECwindows rather than Motif, and are running at least VMS V5.4, then you can use XTERM012.BCK instead. This saveset has a recordsize of 4096 bytes. I believe that XTERM V1.2 requires the presense of the TW/PYdrivers. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!cygnus.frm.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de!SYSGAERTNER From: sysgaertner@cygnus.frm.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (M. Gaertner, FRM, TH Darmstadt, Germany) Subject: Re: Making X terminals out of small VAXen?? Sender: news@news.th-darmstadt.de (UseNet News Admin) Message-ID: <1993Feb15.191157.26041@news.th-darmstadt.de> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 19:11:57 GMT Reply-To: sysgaertner@cygnus.frm.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de References: <1993Feb11.145234.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> Nntp-Posting-Host: cygnus.frm.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de Organization: Fachbereichsrechner Maschinenbau, TH Darmstadt, Germany Lines: 28 Xref: cs.utk.edu comp.sys.dec:14152 comp.windows.x:60388 In article <1993Feb11.145234.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes: >I have some small mono VAXstations and a microVAX that I'd like to use as X11 >terminals. But they only have about 4Mb of RAM, but some of them have local >disks (and VMS). I've seen Seth Robertson's arrangement of Xsun for Sun 3's >which, with a stripped-down kernel can make a darned good X terminal out of a >4Mb Sun 3. > >Is there anything similar for these (otherwise useless) DEC machines? Remember >I don't have Ultrix. Ideally I'd like a way of building an incredibly small >VMS (since it only has to load the X server program) or a different, small, >free (?) operating system, or some special Xdec thing which loads without [ Stuff deleted ] You can use EWS-Software and run nearly any VAXStation as an X-Terminal. But you'll need at least 6MB of memory in your VAXStation 2000 for this. The EWS-software won't boot with less. EWS V1.2 runs pretty good here. EWS won't use any connected disk or other device (except keyboard and mouse :-)). Creating VMS... Well, you have 1VUPS in VS2000, concider running MOTIF Server and Client on this little thing. I'd prefer buying a 4MB-card for your VS and go for it. Hope that helps ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- M. Gaertner TH Darmstadt, W. Germany Rechnergruppe FB 16-Maschinenbau SYSGAERTNER@CYGNUS.FRM.MASCHINENBAU.TH-DARMSTADT.DE Phone: Germany, (0)6151/16 5145 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!linus!philabs!crpmks!billb From: billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems)) Subject: Re: X-terminals - summary of responses Reply-To: billb@crpmks.UUCP (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems)) Organization: Ciba-Geigy Corporation Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 15:18:37 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar10.151837.1214@crpmks.uucp> References: <11196323@MVB.SAIC.COM> Lines: 32 In article <11196323@MVB.SAIC.COM> Steve Roberts writes: >X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List >Lines: 28 > >Thanks to the 8 people who responded to my questions about X-terminals a >couple of weeks ago. 5 people wrote in praise of NCD, one flame of DECs VXT, >and a suggestion that you could recycle old Vaxstation 2000s. > >The explanation I was offered for the larger memory requirements of DECs >offerings was that it had a larger load image - either because it provided >more functionality (Motif WM, menu interface and Decterm) or because they >load big chunk of VMS (ELN?) - take your pick depending on your level of >cynicism:-) > One thing that you may want to inquire about (we found out the hard way) is that the VXT's (and moste likely any x terminal you get) suck up mucho cpu cycles on the Vax in JUST PAINTING THE SCREENS. We had a dozen users who used vt420's for dual sessions (1 order entry, and 1 All-in-1). They used a moderate amount of cpu time. Now they are using 20% of one of our machines (6510). The order entry screens (2) paint data constantly to the screens, as well as have flashing areas. THe DECW$TERMINAL.EXE image has become the top cpu image (over ALL-IN-1 and the order entry stuff). Dec's response 9after selling us the terminals) is that "is to be expected". Grrrr. No one ever even hinted that we would suffer such a change (we were expecing some useage increase, but no THAT much). -- Bill Bochnik | It's hard to be a James Bond in an Abbott Systems Analyst | and Costello world. Ciba-Geigy Corporation | Signed and sealed, they deliver oblivion. philabs!crpmks!billb | It's worse than that, he's dead Jim. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale,nj.forsale,ny.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,ne.forsale,comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.admin Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!cantsc!cctr127 From: Jason Haar Subject: Re: Urgent: a hole in X security - xwatchwin2 Message-ID: Followup-To: misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale,nj.forsale,ny.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,ne.forsale,comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.admin Nntp-Posting-Host: cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz Organization: CSC, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. X-Fax: +64-3-364-2332 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] References: <1993Mar16.230422.14356@grebyn.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 05:43:25 GMT X-Verbal: phone +64-3-364-2336 (work) +64-3-348-7183 (home) Lines: 38 Xref: cs.utk.edu misc.forsale:74972 comp.sys.dec:14608 comp.unix.ultrix:19683 comp.unix.misc:8104 vmsnet.admin:807 Marc Fraioli (mfraioli@grebyn.com) wrote: > > This program has been around, sometimes called xkey, and exploits a bug > which I believe only exists in X11R3 and earlier. While Ultrix 4.2 (I I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you... this isn't a "bug" - it's a feature ;-) DEC for some reason refuses to implement the MIT MAGIC-COOKIE routines which allow a sort-of end-user X security. Under DECwindows (for example), you have the option with DECnet of allowing usercode MYNAME on node NODENAME to access your display (under the Security menu). With TCP/IP, you have to specify a wildcard for the usercode - i.e. any user on TCP/IP node MYNAME can output onto your display. The MAGIC-COOKIE stuff (I'm a user - not a guru in case you haven't noticed ;-) involves you giving to the usercodes you want to be able to access your display a special file that contains a "password-like" phrase that they must show the server (your display) before actually being able to connect. Hence it allows you a similar level of protection for TCP/IP as already exists over DECnet (DECnet uses a completely different authentication scheme - after all, the person's usercode is passed in each packet!). I can attest that this "problem" exists under X11R5 - but as only Un*x boxes here use R5 - they all have MAGIC-COOKIE protection and everyone lives happily ever after :-) BTW: xkey is nasty - it certainly allows you to grab passwords/etc... If you run X11 - you _should_ run MAGIC-COOKIE -- Cheers Jason Haar, Network Consultant ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.admin Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!nigel.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!uunet!mcsun!dxcern!dxcern!cons From: cons@mercury.cern.ch (Lionel Cons) Subject: Re: Urgent: a hole in X security - xwatchwin2 In-Reply-To: mfraioli@grebyn.com's message of Tue, 16 Mar 1993 23:04:22 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN, European Research Center for Particle Physics References: <1993Mar15.071215.5122@tigger.jvnc.net> <1993Mar16.230422.14356@grebyn.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 09:10:03 GMT Lines: 65 Xref: cs.utk.edu comp.sys.dec:14610 comp.unix.ultrix:19684 comp.unix.misc:8105 vmsnet.admin:808 >>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 1993 23:04:22 GMT, mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli) said: > > In article dobyrne@curia.ucc.ie (David O'Byrne) writes: > > > >A new program has found its way into our LAN called xwatchwin2. This > >appears to allow anyone who can log in to a machine to view the contents of > >any users session on that machine. Is there a workaround, perhaps a server option > >(Xws and Xtm2). Our LAN consists of a network of DECstation 5000's running > >Ultrix 4.2. > > > >thanks > >David > >-- > > This program has been around, sometimes called xkey, and exploits a > bug which I believe only exists in X11R3 and earlier. These are two different programs, xwatchwin2 gets a copy of what's on the screen (like xwd) and xkey gets all the keys pressed. xkey is more dangerous because it can record the passwords you type. Both programs work in all versions of X (including X11R5) because they do not exploit a bug but only design features. > While Ultrix > 4.2 (I actually use 4.2a-- I don't know what the differences are) > on a DEC5000 comes with X11R4, unfortunately some of the clients, > such as dxterm, are still R3 clients, from what I understand. With > the dxterm, it is possible to defeat this by choosing the "secure > terminal" option from one of its pull-down menus. Wrong!!! A trivial enhancement to xkey (as it was posted) allows to ignore the "secure terminal" option. This option is useless and does not protect anything. Don't rely on it! BTW, xterm as an option called "secure keyboard" that does the same thing (and is therefore also useless). > Unfortunately, > this causes the X server to misbehave in various strange ways. > Still, it's useful to prevent someone from grabbing your screen > while you su, for example, thus allowing you to at least keep the > root password secure. Other than > that, I don't know any general way around it. > > -- > Marc Fraioli > mfraioli@grebyn.com (So I'm a minimalist...) In conclusion, if you allow someone to access your display then he can do anything: read the screen and record every key you type. The ONLY solution is to restrict the access to your display, by using xauth and the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE for instance. -- Lionel Cons +------ CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics ------+ | E-mail: cons@dxcern.cern.ch | | Earth-mail: CN/SW/WS, CERN, CH-1211 GENEVE 23, Switzerland | | Phone: + (41 22) 767 49 13 Fax: + (41 22) 767 71 55 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ \ If everything else fails, read the manual. / \ If it still does not work, try to plug it. / +---------------------------------------------------------+ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!auvm!CALVIN.APL.WISC.EDU!HANSON Return-Path: <@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU, @UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-gis-l@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:hanson@CALVIN.APL.WISC.EDU> Message-ID: <9305051754.AA18140@calvin.apl.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 12:54:47 -0500 Sender: Geographic Information Systems Discussion List From: Drew Hanson Subject: Re: PC X-terminals Hummingbird Communications Ltd. of Ontario, Canada offers a nice package called HCL-eXceed for running x-windows on a PC. We have two PC's running this way and are quite satisfied (especially for the price!). The biggest hangups are the install and the monitor resolution. Call Hummingbird at (416) 470-1203. Drew Hanson GIS Programmer Analyst Applied Population Laboratory University of Wisconsin - Madison .............................................................................. Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!auvm!UUNET.UU.NET!SUNSRV!RAMAA Return-Path: <@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU, @UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-gis-l@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:sunsrv!ramaa@UUNET.UU.NET> Message-ID: <9305052204.AA15482@etak.com> Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 15:04:01 PDT Sender: Geographic Information Systems Discussion List From: Rama Aysola Subject: Re: PC X-terminals Lines: 4 Try hummingbird technologies for x-terminal software which works under windows. This package seems to be the most popular and works quite well. There is also a package called Xvision from VisionWare which is quite good. Visionware's phone number is 415-325-2113. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!auvm!TFIC.BC.CA!CLH Return-Path: <@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU, @UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-gis-l@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:tacitus!virgil.tfic.bc.ca!clh@WIMSEY.COM> Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 08:31:00 PDT Sender: Geographic Information Systems Discussion List From: Chris Hermansen Subject: Re: PC X-terminals ramaa@ETAK.COM writes: > > Using x-windows over a modem is possible. Look into a protocol > called SLIP (Subscriber Line Internet Protocol) which allows > you to look like a node on a LAN over a modem. Whoa there! The "S" in SLIP stands for ** SERIAL **, not subscriber. Also, it's not that simple; you need something to connect to on the UNIX end, not just the standard shell. Also, if you're rolling your own, you might do better with PPP rather than SLIP. If you're not inclined to roll your own, I note that NCD advertises a serial line based X emulator for PCs in recent UNIX magazines, and (if memory serves) the price is less than US$200. Remember, you need clean lines and V32/V42 bis communication speeds and protocol to make it worthwhile. You also generally need hardware flow control as XON/XOFF is not an option in 8bit communications. What some people have done to get around the relatively "fat" X protocol on the relatively skinny serial line is to put much of the X server on the UNIX host, then use a skinny protocol to do the actual communications with the X terminal. I've seen GraphOn's serial X terminal that works this way; it's quite responsive, but it does unload a fair bit of processing onto the host. I should close by noting that these topics are covered in much more detail and accuracy in comp.windows.x and related newsgroups... Chris Hermansen Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants Voice: 1 604 733 0731 302 - 958 West 8th Avenue FAX: 1 604 733 0634 Vancouver B.C. CANADA clh@tfic.bc.ca V5Z 1E5 C'est ma facon de parler. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!iwsd01.itwol.bhp.com.au!wewila From: alan@itwol.bhp.com.au (Alan Wilkie) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: DECwindows Font Format --> SNFtoBDF Message-ID: <1993Jun2.080018.860@iwsd01.itwol.bhp.com.au> Date: 2 Jun 1993 08:00:18 +1000 References: <2C0B81B5.3F9@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Organization: BHP Information Technology Lines: 29 In article <2C0B81B5.3F9@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, flower@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Rick Flower) writes: > > Hi.. I've got a question regarding the SNF (Simple Network Font?) format used > by DECwindows.. I ended up digging up the source for SNFtoBDF.C and the > X11R4 header files that it requires to compile it. However, this program is > unable to make heads or tails of the DECwindows fonts... The VMS > documentation states that the DECwindow fonts are in SNF formats.. > I'm a bit confused.. Are or are they NOT in SNF format?? > Has anyone else got a program that can read these fonts and convert them > into their respective BDF sources (for usage with MacX -- since it comes with > only 3 "terminal" fonts, not the standard 50 fonts that DECwindows has). First, SNF stands for "Server Normal Format" and BDF stands for "Binary Distribution Format". As the name implies, SNF is server specific, so it is up to each manufacturer to define what SNF is, hence (probably) the inability of SNFtoBDF to read them. X fonts are normally distributed in BDF, and you really need to get the BDF versions if you want to use them with MacX. I have no idea on the availability of DECwindows fonts in BDF... Anybody else? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------/\/\--- Alan Wilkie, Analyst/Programmer, Process & Engineering Section / / /\ BHP Information Technology, Wollongong Australia / / / \ Mail : P.O. Box 261, Warrawong 2502 / / / /\ \ Telephone : +61 42 755667 Fax: +61 42 755215 \ \/ / / / Internet : alan@itwol.bhp.com.au \ / / / ------------------------------------------------------------------\/\/\/-- "you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike" ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!uc0g From: uc0g@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Potucek Rudolf) Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted,comp.terminals,comp.os.msdos.desqview,comp.msdos.apps,comp.terminals,comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos Subject: Re: WANTED: X-Windows emulator (by name) Date: 22 Sep 1993 19:43:11 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 35 Message-ID: <27q9sf$t4h@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> References: <27p76d$j39@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Xref: cs.utk.edu comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted:14356 comp.terminals:1255 comp.os.msdos.desqview:3295 comp.unix.questions:53506 comp.windows.x:69598 comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos:2782 Potucek Rudolf (uc0g@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote: > Hello! > > I am looking for an X-Windows front end for a PC. I have heard there > is a software that does it and is PD in 640x480 and commercial for > 800x600. Does anyone know what it is called or where to get it? Or any other? > > Rudolf In reply I got the following informations: There is a PD/commercial product called X Appeal, (xap??*) which is PD in a version supporting 640x480 +10% and commercial otherwise. sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de /pub/msdos/X11 garbo.uwasa.fi pc/demos There are commercial versions: X-Vision hcl/exceed pc-xview phone 503-641-2200 HummingBird phone 416-470-1203 Rudolf +-------------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Rudolf Potucek jr. | Chemists are a strange people | | University of Karlsruhe | They will rather share their | | | colleagues toothbrush than | | uc0g@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de | their views | +-------------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x,alt.toolkits.xview Path: cs.utk.edu!ornl!fnnews.fnal.gov!mp.cs.niu.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!rz.uni-hildesheim.de!baghira.han.de!behre!root From: root@behre.han.de (Wolfgang Sander-Beuermann) Subject: Re: WANTED: X-Windows emulator (by name) Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x,alt.toolkits.xview References: <27p8k1$j39@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Organization: priv. site, Nienhorst, Germany Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 09:53:09 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Message-ID: <1993Sep23.095309.223@behre.han.de> Lines: 11 Xref: cs.utk.edu comp.terminals:1257 comp.unix.questions:53526 comp.windows.x:69623 alt.toolkits.xview:2467 Potucek Rudolf (uc0g@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote: > Hello! > I am looking for an X-Windows front end for a PC. I have heard there > is a software that does it and is PD in 640x480 and commercial for > 800x600. Does anyone know what it is called or where to get it? Or any other? Why not just using Linux? That gives you both: an X-Windows front end and a reasonable PC Unix. And it's free for any resolution. Wolfgang Sander-Beuermann +49 5085 6118 root@behre.han.de ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.security.misc Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!eclnews!cec2!jln2 Message-ID: <1993Sep14.143615.19063@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Opinions expressed are not necessarily my own! References: <2703be$93t@soc2.pop.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 14:36:15 GMT From: jln2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sammy D.) Subject: Re: X-windows from MS-Windows the long way around In article <2703be$93t@soc2.pop.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes: > >Even if you do get it to work, the connection >will be so slow as to be completely unusable. X over SLIP is already >very slow. I'd love to see the PC remote software try to handle the >screen redraws. While I can't speak for Exceed, Tektronics and NCD both have products that do X over low speed serial lines (still, 9600+ is _very_ recomended). They both do extensive compression of the X protocol, in the same spirit as Van Jacobson's TCP/IP header compression, which reduces headers to an average of under one byte by aggressively recoding the protocol to remove redundant data. See rfc 1144 for more info. Low Bandwidth X (LBX) is a proposal to combine and standardize the NCD and Tektronics protocols and merge them into X11R6. See issue 5 (Winter, 1993) of "The X Resource" for more detailed information on this. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.questions,comp.windows.x,alt.toolkits.xview Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!concert!sas!mozart.unx.sas.com!sasbge From: sasbge@unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston) Subject: Re: WANTED: X-Windows emulator (by name) Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 03:11:21 GMT References: <27p8k1$j39@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <1993Sep23.095309.223@behre.han.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ant.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 23 Xref: cs.utk.edu comp.terminals:1279 comp.unix.questions:53683 comp.windows.x:69756 alt.toolkits.xview:2483 Potucek Rudolf (uc0g@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote: > Hello! > I am looking for an X-Windows front end for a PC. I have heard there > is a software that does it and is PD in 640x480 and commercial for > 800x600. Does anyone know what it is called or where to get it? Or any other? I use Visionware's XVision5. Run's under Windoze 3.1. Very nice, very easy to install. Could be better in the documentation but what's not in a manual is hidden in the online Help. Call Roy Caudill at Visionware for more info: 800-949-8474. Just a satified customer. -- Gantt Edmiston - SysAdmin Work: 919-677-8000 x6091 SAS Institute Inc. Fax: 919-677-8224 SAS Campus Dr., R3313 Email: sasbge@unx.sas.com Cary NC 27513-8000 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.questions,comp.editors Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!ddsw1!ctt.com!hammond Message-ID: Organization: Chicago Title & Trust References: <2auqhs$ci2@bradley.bradley.edu> <2auss4$dqm@bradley.bradley.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 04:35:36 GMT From: hammond@ctt.com (Kevin Hammond) Subject: Re: Vi sends insert code for each char In article <2auss4$dqm@bradley.bradley.edu>, Jerry Whelan wrote: >In article <2auqhs$ci2@bradley.bradley.edu>, >Jerry Whelan wrote: > >-} I've been trying improve performance in X and have discovered >-} that vi emits an insert character escape code for every single >-} character it wants to display. This makes my terminal emulator >-} slow down quite a bit. I would prefer vi to just echo the >-} character to the terminal unless it has just moved the cursor >-} around. > >Well, after posting this I went digging and using the terminfo >man page, and `infocmp' to compare the difference between >the xterm and vt100-am terminfo definitions, I discovered that >xterm defines "ich1" and vt100 doesn't. As the ich1 control >sequence was what vi was outputing for every character it >displayed, I just removed its definition from the xterm >terminfo. Things seem to work ok (cut & paste in X is much >quicker now). However, is there anything I'm missing? Have >I just subtly wrecked some other program? > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jerry Whelan guru@stasi.bradley.edu You may want to look into NCD's patched up xterm. Supposedly it was supposed to be the standard xterm in X11R5, however I'm not sure if it made it. Anyway, it takes care of the poor performance of an xterm under vi. I run XRemote, NCD's X over serial lines and using a traditional xterm with vi was just murder. I built NCD's patched up version and it vastly improved performance. --kevin ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!daver!cypress.com!pep From: pep@cypress.com (Paul Platt) Subject: Re: X-windows over a modem? In-Reply-To: pamaga@biobase.aau.dk's message of Mon, 27 Dec 1993 21:37:33 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@cypress.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ms Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 17:36:23 GMT Lines: 26 >>>>> "Paulo" == Paulo Magalhaes writes: In article pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes: Paulo> The question: ... is there any way in which I can run the Paulo> X-windows versions of programs present in my unix machine, from Paulo> this 'ere old PC?... In other words, can I get an "X-terminal Paulo> emulator" (is the terminology correct?) which will run over a Paulo> normal phone line, using a 14.4 modem? For others interested in the same thing: There are MANY products available including PC Xware from NCD Xvision eXceed/Xpress from Hummingbird All run under Windows and generally work well. Modem speed is key. The faster the better. eXceed works (supposedly) under NT. The NCD product doest. NCD also doesn't like Cyrix based cards. NCD and (I think) Xvision support mouse follow focus. NCD has a nice window manager. Paul pep@cypress.com . ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!jpglori From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) Subject: Re: X-windows over a modem? Message-ID: <1993Dec28.201507.10053@PacBell.COM> Sender: news@PacBell.COM (Pacific Bell Netnews) Organization: Pacific * Bell References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 20:15:07 GMT Lines: 52 In article pep@cypress.com (Paul Platt) writes: >>>>>> "Paulo" == Paulo Magalhaes writes: >In article pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes: > > >Paulo> The question: ... is there any way in which I can run the >Paulo> X-windows versions of programs present in my unix machine, from >Paulo> this 'ere old PC?... In other words, can I get an "X-terminal >Paulo> emulator" (is the terminology correct?) which will run over a >Paulo> normal phone line, using a 14.4 modem? > >For others interested in the same thing: > >There are MANY products available including >PC Xware from NCD >Xvision >eXceed/Xpress from Hummingbird > >All run under Windows and generally work well. Modem speed is >key. The faster the better. eXceed works (supposedly) under NT. >The NCD product doest. NCD also doesn't like Cyrix based cards. >NCD and (I think) Xvision support mouse follow focus. NCD >has a nice window manager. > > >Paul pep@cypress.com >. I installed PCXware from NCD on two laptops (486/24-33). One has an internal 14.4 modem, mine, has the Microcom Deskporte FAST 14.4 modem. It works GREAT! It is an evaluation copy and it looks like I will be purchasing 5-8 copies. BTW, I received, for evaluation, copies of Hummingbird's eXceed/Xpress AND Chameleon/X. I have not had a chance to install and evaluate the former. I am so satisfied with PCXware, that I don't think I will spend the time to try them out. :( :) I am able to run xremote off my Terminal Server (Cisco) and have multiple sessions. Last night, I had four clients plus my Sunos 4.1.3 Calendar Manager up. I have also brought up MailTool (Sunos 4.1.3). If you are system administrator or Power User, I highly recommend PCXware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- PACIFIC BELL - John P. Gloria - Workstation Support Engineer Product & Technology - Systems Engineering 2600 Camino Ramon - Mail Stop: 2S151 - San Ramon, CA 94583 Voice:510-823-2933 FAX:510-867-3817 Email:jpglori@PacBell.COM -- --------- John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com -------- "To be absolutely certain about something, one must know everything or nothing about it." Olin Miller ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!swrinde!sgiblab!daver!cypress.com!pep From: pep@cypress.com (Paul Platt) Subject: Re: X-windows over a modem? In-Reply-To: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM's message of Tue, 28 Dec 1993 20:15:07 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@cypress.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ms Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center References: <1993Dec28.201507.10053@PacBell.COM> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 23:37:58 GMT Lines: 19 >>>>> "John" == John P Gloria writes: In article <1993Dec28.201507.10053@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes: John> I am able to run xremote off my Terminal Server (Cisco) and have John> multiple sessions. Last night, I had four clients plus my Sunos John> 4.1.3 Calendar Manager up. I have also brought up MailTool John> (Sunos 4.1.3). If you are system administrator or Power User, I John> highly recommend PCXware. Check eXceed vs. Xware by looking at how responsive mailtool is. In particular, try typing a reply in mailtool. At least at one point, eXceed had real problems on some PCs. Also, monitor cpu usage of Xremote vs. sxprocess (Hummingbird). We saw sxprocess chewing up a lot more of the cpu. Paul pep@cypress.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: cs.utk.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: ROBERTS@DECUS.CA (Rob Slade, Ed. DECrypt & ComNet, VARUG rep, 604-984-4067) Newsgroups: alt.books.reviews,alt.books.technical,biz.dec.workstations,comp.terminals,comp.windows.misc,misc.books.technical Subject: "X Window System" by Scheifler/Gettys Date: 31 Mar 1994 14:15:43 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 43 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <01HAMG22W1MA8WWYUL@ARC.AB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Xref: cs.utk.edu alt.books.technical:1197 comp.terminals:2130 comp.windows.misc:2084 misc.books.technical:4588 BKXWNDWS.RVW 931203 Digital Press PO Box 3027 One Burlington Woods Drive Burlington, MA 01803-9593 800-DIGITAL (800-344-4825) "X Window System", Scheifler/Gettys, 1992, EY-J802E-DP-CRE rws@x.org rws@expo.lcs.mit.edu jg@crl.dec.com I am glad there is X. I use it every time I have to explain "client-server" or "distributed processing" to anyone. Because X works backwards. Most people, no matter how carefully you explain the client-server concept, get hung up on the notion that the "server' is always "the big box," "their box," or "the far away box," with the "client" being "the small box," "my box," or "the close box." This is because most examples have to do with services that involve "their" file server, a "big" compute server, or a "far away" data base server. It is extremely useful to be able to describe the user interface as a service which other computers use as clients. Here, then, is the definitive guide to programming with X, or, more formally, the "X Window System", or, more commonly but less properly, X-Windows. (I had originally assumed that this latter reference was possibly due to some confusion with the Digital specific implementation and extension, DECWindows. Digital equipment and personnel have played a large part in the birth and development of X. However, Robert Scheifler saw references to X-Windows before the DECWindows product existed, and thinks it must be due to an assumption that the naming followed the "Microsoft Windows" form.) Part of the popularity of X is the fact that there is a considerable library of routines ready made for implementing X systems. Part one of the book, therefore, starts with sixteen chapters detailing the available libraries by function. Part two then defines the formal X Window System protocol. Part three deals with inter-client communications conventions, while part four discusses fonts. There are nine appendices and a glossary. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1993 BKXWNDWS.RVW 931203 Permission granted to distribute with unedited copies of the Digest ====================== DECUS Canada Communications, Desktop, Education and Security group newsletters Editor and/or reviewer ROBERTS@decus.ca, RSlade@sfu.ca, Rob Slade at 1:153/733 DECUS Symposium '94, Vancouver, BC, Mar 1-3, 1994, contact: rulag@decus.ca ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!nobody From: wrath@cs.umbc.edu (Vijay Gill) Newsgroups: comp.os.misc Subject: Re: What are OS's doing with all those resources? (was Re: What is NT ... Date: 29 Apr 1994 21:09:06 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 23 Message-ID: <2psb3iINNkje@snoopy.cs.umbc.edu> References: <2p92oq$lac@news.arc.nasa.gov> <2pri4u$p80@paperboy.osf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: snoopy.cs.umbc.edu Geoff Langdale wrote: >With all these huge binaries, perhaps it's time for window system designers >to re-examine principles of clean design and elegance. Why should compiler >writers have to carry the can for poor systems design? Why should dynamic Look at 8 1/2, the plan 9 windowing system. Incredibly elegant and easy to use. This is the first windowing system that fits me, instead of me working around the lossage. Some plan 9 papers are available in ftp://research.att.com under plan9doc and plan9man. I have no current status if this is available outside of universities. We have just got the CD and I am enjoying life. Actually all your complaints above are addressed by plan 9. Small, fast, portable, and quite possibly doomed to faliure. -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////