Data General terminals ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!lhc!adm!smoke!gwyn Message-ID: <19672@smoke.brl.mil> References: <1993Feb8.035647.15673@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD. Date: 9 Feb 1993 19:25:57 GMT From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) Subject: Re: DataGeneral Dasher100 Terminal Help?????? In article <1993Feb8.035647.15673@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ppuskari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Petar E Puskarich) writes: > >Hello out there! I have just acquired an old Data General Dasher100 >Terminal off a Nova4 minicomputer system. >I was able to figure out also that: > > CTRL-Z is down arrow > CTRL-W is up arrow > CTRL-X is right arrow > CTRL-Y is left arrow > CTRL-M is Carriage Return > CTRL-N is Flash > CTRL-L is Clearscreen+home cursor > CTRL-J is Carriage Return and line feed > CTRL-H is Home cursor > CTRL-G is BELL > CTRL-T is Underline ON > CTRL-U is Underline OFF > CTRL-O is Flash OFF > >Key is now to find out what term emulation is this anyway. Or if it is >non standard how do I configure a termcap for this on my Unix site???? Here are three termcap entries for Dasher-series terminals. One of them (probably the first) should work. If you don't know what to do with termcap, consult your system administrator. # # Data General 605x from Wayne Throop # Ought to work for a Model 6242, Type D210 as well as a 605x. # Note that the cursor-down key transmits ^Z. Job-control shell users, beware! # Mg|dg|dg6053|data general 6053:\ :am:bc=^y:cl=^l:cm=4^p%r%.%.:nd=^x:up=^w:ce=^k:us=^t:\ :ue=^u:so=^t:se=^u:kl=^y:kr=^x:ku=^w:kd=^z:kh=^h:ho=^h:\ :ko=cl,ce:li#24:co#80:is=^r:do=^z:ul:nl=^m^j:k0=\036q:k1=\036r:\ :k2=\036s:k3=\036t:k4=\036u:k5=\036v:k6=\036w:k7=\036x:k8=\036y:k9=\03! # # Data General Dasher DG210/211 from Peter N. Wan # courtesy of Carlos Rucalde of Vantage Software, Inc. # Dg|dgd211|Data General d211:\ :am:cl=\014:cm=\020%r%.%.:nl=^Z:bw:bc=^Y:\ :li#24:co#80:kr=^X:kl=^Y:ku=^W:kh=^H:kb=^Y:\ :ho=^H:nd=^X:kd=^Z:\ :ve=^L:vs=^L^R:\ :se=\200\036E:so=\200\200\200\200\200\036D:\ :up=^W:ce=^K:do=^Z:\ :te=^L:ti=^L^R:us=^T:ue=^U:cr=^M:dC#1:dN#1: # # Data General/One from Joan Walter # David Holub got the dg1 to work with jove with this termcap # by making li#23 and co#78 to comply with obvious terminal # capabilities. Still waiting for documentation. # Data General/One from modified DG Dasher DG210/211 (bw removed) # from Peter N. Wan # courtesy of Carlos Rucalde of Vantage Software, Inc. # Do|dg1|Data General/One:\ :am:cl=\014:cm=\020%r%.%.:nl=^Z:bc=^Y:\ :li#23:co#78:kr=^X:kl=^Y:ku=^W:kh=^H:kb=^Y:\ :ho=^H:nd=^X:kd=^Z:\ :up=^W:ce=^K:do=^Z:\ :cr=^M:dC#1:dN#1: ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net !transfer.stratus.com!newshub.xylogics.com!steam!carlson Message-ID: <1993Jul14.123413.31410@xylogics.com> Organization: Xylogics Incorporated References: <21vvukINNgfm@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 12:34:13 GMT From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Looking for info on Data General "magic" graphics terminal In article <21vvukINNgfm@gap.caltech.edu>, robin@cco.caltech.edu (Robert C. Colgrove) writes: |> |> One of the hospitals where I work recently changed their proprietary |> system so that one needs to emulate Data General "visual" and "magic" |> terminals to dial in. Does anybody know if these exist for mac, dos, |> windows or X? Anybody know who to contact at DG to find out. Our local |> MIS types are no help at all, basically passively hostile to the whole |> concept of PCs (especially Macs) and only reluctantly accepting of dial-in. D.J. Delorie (from the PC group at DG, now at Cabletron) had a D470 emulator that kinda worked for this. I don't know if that's publicly available. You'll probably run into trouble. I was in the design group for the DG terminals a few years ago, and I remember several standards. There's nothing called "visual" or "magic," that I recall, but there are aspect ratio differences between the D460/D461/D462 series of terminals, which all do different kinds of graphics. Mark Piwonka at Data General in Westborough, MA, may be able to point you in the right direction. -- James Carlson Tel: +1 617 272 8140 Annex Software Support / Xylogics, Inc. +1 800 225 3317 53 Third Avenue / Burlington MA 01803-4491 Fax: +1 617 272 3159 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!waikato.ac.nz !canterbury.ac.nz!cantva!phys169 Message-ID: <1993Jul16.171613.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> References: <1993Jul14.202031.19383@oracle.us.oracle.com> Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Lines: 16 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 05:16:13 GMT From: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: Data General terminal emulators for the PC In article <1993Jul14.202031.19383@oracle.us.oracle.com>, wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) writes: > > Since there were a couple of requests for DG emulators here.. Add to the list the latest version of my (free) DG terminal emulator. There are a few bug fixes (e.g. when changing parity, etc), plus the ability to redefine a large number of parameters - including key responses, startup string, and coms port parameters. It is available via anonymous ftp from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.30.3] in the PC directory. If anybody finds some bugs please let me know a.s.a.p. Mark Aitchison. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!stc06r.CTD.ORNL.GOV!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu !swrinde!gatech!udel!news2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!qns1.qns.com !constellation!rex!ben Message-ID: Reply-To: benjamin-goldsteen@uokhsc.edu References: <2pv479$82e@panix.com> Organization: Health Sciences Center, University of Oklahoma Lines: 57 Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 20:09:55 GMT From: ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen) Subject: Re: Data General -- A blast from the Past? eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) writes: >I suppose this is an indicator of the scale of misfortunes that have >befallen me -- the PC I am currently using (an ancient Data General/One >laptop) has a firmware terminal emulator: It emulates two terminals -- >a Data General Dasher, whatever that is, and a "standard terminal" -- >the Lear/Seigler ADM3a. >Strangely enough, IBM RS/6000 workstations don't come with the adm3a >terminal definition in the terminfo database -- but they are kind enough to >leave the source lying around, in case you need to compile it. I did so, >but as many of you well know, adm3a terminal emulation leaves a lot to be >desired. Yup...we have some terminals and I found adm3a to leave something to be desired as well... >So what's this Data/General Dasher D2 that it also emulates? Can a Dasher >do modern things like delete lines off the screen or reverse scroll? Is >there a termcap / terminfo definition for it anywhere in the known >universe? Should I just stop complaining and be happy with the adm3a >mode, and fondly remember my college days when we would flick a little DIP >switch on the front panel in order to enable lower case input on the darn >thing? It seems in the minicomputer/dumb-terminal days, every vendor had its own terminal protocol. The Dasher terminals were designed to talk to Data General systems (my DG history is weak...all I know is our old DG Eclipse MV/9500 runs AOS/VS II V3). "infocmp d200" suggests that it didn't have very sophisticated terminal handling like say the DEC VT100. However, it does have support for 40 function keys (WordPerfect originally started on a Data General mini) and a bunch of other keys. I tried to write a Terminfo entry for the D200 that would run on an RS/6000 too. However, I ran into this problem: D200+ terminals (in DG rather than ANSI mode) home the cursor when they receive a "^H" rather than backspace. My Terminfo entry was coded probably (I think) not to send that code, but some programs insist on sending it anyway (the two that come to mind are programs accessing terminfo through termcap interfaces [e.g. Elm] and programs that use the standard UNIX terminal I/O [e.g. various shells, mailx, ...]). I don't think Termcap can support the D200+ terminals in DG mode...to get cursor position to work, I had to make extensive use of Terminfo's stack language. >I must add, though Data General didn't know how to build PC's, they did do >an excellent job on the keyboard -- positive feedback like on the original >IBM PC keyboard, but you don't have to hit the keys anywhere near as hard. >It would be a pleasure to use if it was full size. Actually, I heard they simply relabeled Zenith systems with "Data General" and shipped 'em... [Archiver's Note: While this may have been true of some DG products, I don't believe this was the case with the Data General One, the first "laptop" MS-DOS machine, introduced in November 1984. The DG-1 was designed by a DG team with manufacturing from a Japanese source.] P.S.Data General is still in business selling (very few) Eclipses and a fair number of AViiON's (their "open systems" -- multiprocessor UNIX systems with full POSIX, XPG3, SVR3/4, BSD, etc). -- Benjamin Z. Goldsteen [During the "Dot Com" era, the rest of Data General was absorbed by EMC.] ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Summary: commercial program from a British vendor References: <1790001@hpfcse.HP.COM> Followup-To: comp.terminals Distribution: world Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Keywords: Data General, X window, terminal Expires: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 22:24:25 GMT Sender: shuford*cs.utk.edu Subject: terminal emulations (was Re: DG Term emulation need!!) In article <1790001@hpfcse.HP.COM> alany@hpfcse.HP.COM ( Alan Yuill) writes: > > I am in desperate need of a X-based terminal emulator that provides for > emulation of a Data General (460 or 470) terminal. Just like what xterm > does for emulating a vt100 under X, I need for a "DGterm" under X. > > Alan Yuill +1 412/784-3307, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (Hewlett-Packard) Here is a snippet from the "frequently asked questions" file in the "comp.windows.x" newsgroup; it mentions a British company that seems to sell a software package such as you need. | Pericom produces Teem-X, a set of several emulation packages for a number | of Tek, DEC, Westward, and Data General terminals. The software runs on | Sun 3, Sun 4, Apollo, DEC, ISC, IBM/AIX. | Information: US: +1 609/895-0404, | UK: +44 (0908) 560022. [5/90] [UPDATE: 95-07-19] Pericom Software PLC The Priory Cosgrove Milton Keynes MK19 7JJ Voice: +44 (0) 1908 265533 Fax: +44 (0) 1908 265534 E-mail: lesley@pericom.demon.co.uk ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!news.bu.edu !transfer.stratus.com!xylogics.com!xylogics.com!not-for-mail Organization: Xylogics Incorporated Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ffjcn$re5@newhub.xylogics.com> References: Lines: 51 Date: 9 Feb 1996 08:49:11 -0500 From: carlson@xylogics.com (James Carlson) Subject: Re: Data General D215 and D211 Information In article , troch@lonestar.texas.com (Rod Troch) writes: |> |> I stumbled across two Data General terminals and am wondering if I |> could use them as terminals connected to my Linux box. The |> information I gained from the back of the units are: |> |> Product: D215 |> Model: 6345 |> and |> Product: D211 |> Model: 6243 Wow, a blast from the past. Another engineer and I picked up the D215 and D411/D461 code to make the D216 and D412/D462 about 9 years ago. |> The questions I have are: are these serial devices that can be |> attached to serial ports on my linux box via null modem serial cables? |> What "gotchas" should I look out for? Hoo, boy. Well, I think the D215 can go into DG-ANSI mode, and that'll be somewhat more usable than native mode. DG's version of ANSI was rather hideous (lots of bit-encoded values and fixed-length arguments; ugh!) and was completely deleted and rewritten for the D216 (which does a VT102 emulation) and the other products. But it's still somewhat ok. If you have to use the D211 in native mode, you'll have a lot of trouble. To begin with, it's basically raw binary -- all of the control characters are used for commands. For instance, "home cursor" is CTRL-H and "cursor left" is CTRL-X. Also, in order to deal correctly with the function keys, you have to have a serial driver capable of handling the funky XON/XOFF protocol used by DG. Basically, the next character after 036 octal, and the next two characters after 037 octal, are raw binary -- they may contain XON or XOFF as data. At any other time, though, you must treat these as normal XON and XOFF characters. In my time at DG, I don't remember ever getting an old DG-ANSI or native DG terminal to work reasonably on any Unix system. It was almost usable as DG-ANSI with some seriously hacked terminfo entries, but not quite. If you drill a hole through the Darth Vader helmet on those tubes and attach a sturdy chain, they do make good boat anchors for light craft. -- James Carlson Tel: +1 617 272 8140 Annex Interface Development / Xylogics, Inc. +1 800 225 3317 53 Third Avenue / Burlington MA 01803-4491 Fax: +1 617 272 2618 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu !howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net !news.ultranet.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!transfer.stratus.com!xylogics.com !xylogics.com!not-for-mail Organization: Xylogics Incorporated Message-ID: <4kb6fl$hu8@newhub.xylogics.com> References: <3166A9BA.2AA0@mastnet.net> Lines: 20 Date: 8 Apr 1996 10:05:41 -0400 From: carlson@xylogics.com (James Carlson) Subject: Re: Data General Model 6243 ? In article <3166A9BA.2AA0@mastnet.net>, John Clonts writes: > |> Can anyone help me with this? Its a serial terminal, and I'd |> like to hook it to my unix (linux) box. I need to know its escape codes |> and such. |> |> Its nameplate says: Product Type D211, Model 6243. I used to design terminals for DG a few years ago. I don't think you really want to use this on a Unix box, but you can try if you like. The control codes are wierd: ^H cursor-home ^X cursor-right ^Y cursor-left ^Z cursor-down ^W cursor-up ^\ dim text ^K erase-line ^L clear-screen ^N blink ^J new-line Good luck. -- James Carlson Tel: +1 617 272 8140 Annex Interface Development / Xylogics, Inc. +1 800 225 3317 53 Third Avenue / Burlington MA 01803-4491 Fax: +1 617 272 2618 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu !newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news.ner.bbnplanet.net !news3.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!xylogics.com!xylogics.com!carlson Newsgroups: comp.terminals Organization: Xylogics Incorporated Message-ID: <4msqui$gva@newhub.xylogics.com> References: <4mr4q8$4ef@elmer.wrq.com> Lines: 18 Date: 9 May 1996 09:11:46 -0400 From: carlson@xylogics.com (James Carlson) Subject: Re: Dasher 210 In article <4mr4q8$4ef@elmer.wrq.com>, johng@elmer.wrq.com (John Gould) writes: |> |> Anybody know anything about the Data General Dasher 210 terminal? Is it |> different from the 200? Is it just a text terminal? Any emulators out |> there? As I recall, the D210 was just a cost-reduced D200. It is indeed text only. (I worked in DG's terminals group writing firmware years ago, but that one's before my time; I worked on the post-Darth-Vader terminals.) I think DG has an "xterm" which emulates the D216 (a much later version of the D210) in DG/UX. MS-Kermit and a number of other software packages can also emulate it; just about any DG native-mode emulation will do to support D210 applications. -- James Carlson Tel: +1 617 272 8140 Annex Interface Development / Xylogics, Inc. +1 800 225 3317 53 Third Avenue / Burlington MA 01803-4491 Fax: +1 617 272 2618 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: utkcs2!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net !news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net !newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com !cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!transfer.stratus.com !xylogics.com!not-for-mail From: carlson@xylogics.com (James Carlson) Date: 1 Oct 1996 08:10:33 -0400 Organization: Xylogics Incorporated Lines: 34 Message-ID: <52r1np$9o7@atlas.xylogics.com> References: Subject: Re: Dasher D2xx's in DG mode on DEC Alpha/Unix ?? In article , mrdorn@wavefront.com (Mike Dorn) writes: |> |> Anybody know how to do this, have the right termcap files, etc?? We're |> hoping to save $$ by keeping some of our old DG tubes as we migrate some |> user groups to Unix, |> also want to be able to switch some users back & forth between the |> old & new systems (without trying to teach them how to change their tubes |> between ANSI & DG mode...). Dunno if it would help, but we included commands to switch between the emulation modes, remotely. I think it's <036>Fm from DG mode, but I don't remember the VT sequence. These are in the programmer's reference manuals available from Data General. If you use D412/D462 or up (D412+/D462+, D413/D463, et cetera), we included a feature which (at least internally) we fondly referred to as "Jeff Joy" mode (after our marketing guy). I think it's called "dual host on one port" in the documentation. You can configure a simultaneous VT and DG emulation to run on a single communications port, then use CMD-C3 to switch between them. That, at least, would reduce *some* of the user confusion. MV systems are "supposed" to have a VT100-compatible mode in the front end. I've used it, though, and I wouldn't recommend bothering. The AOS/VS command line works OK under this mode, but normal applications like CEO behave quite oddly. Good luck ... -- James Carlson Tel: +1 617 272 8140 Annex Interface Development / Xylogics, Inc. +1 800 225 3317 53 Third Avenue / Burlington MA 01803-4491 Fax: +1 617 272 2618 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Message-ID: <14886.30443.74239.390027@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Fwd: question regarding DG5222 Emulation Joe Harbert writes: > > I am working on a project to talk to a Meditech server that uses > Data General 5222 terminal emulation. I have looked through the > pages you have gleaned from comp.terminal and found a lot of > information but not much on the Data General 5222 emulation. Have > you ever heard of this emulation and if so, do you know of any > resources that I might find to work out how this emulation works. ...I worked in the terminals group at DG from 1987 through 1991, and did the firmware for a fair number of Dasher terminals (D216, D216E, D217, D412, D412E, D413, D462, D462E, D463, D578E). I haven't heard of the 5222 before. I suspect that was either a special or a buy-out that was done outside of the terminals group. A quick web search turned up this: http://www.directaid.com/Impersonator.htm So, it appears to be just a re-badged Esprit 105C terminal. I was one of the last ones out of the terminal group. After I left, I heard that DG had started buying and relabelling more OEM terminals, mostly from Facit. I suppose this one could have been a result of that. Anyway, here's one reference to a different Esprit model I found on the web. It looks like they made Hazeltine work-alikes, so it's possible that this one is similar. http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/kinzler/home/doc/esprit.txt -- James Carlson, Internet Engineering SUN Microsystems, Burlington, MA http://people.ne.mediaone.net/carlson/ppp/ [2003 URL: http://carlson-ne.home.attbi.com/] ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Message-ID: <16315.59900.137223.987974@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:09:00 -0500 To: Richard S. Shuford Cc: Brent J. T. From: James Carlson Subject: Re: dg terminal emulation problems Richard S. Shuford writes: > > It would ***REALLY*** be helpful to know which model of DG terminal > is being replaced. There were numerous models, with different > characteristics. Some DG terminals (Dasher models, I think) were > actually designed and manufactured by Data General; other DG models > were rebadged OEM units from Facit or Esprit. [There were numeous models of Data General] terminals (D216, D412, D412+, D413, D462, D462+, D463, D578E, ... plus others I don't recall right now). Many of those models actually supported DEC bug-for-bug emulation modes (including VT102 in D216, VT220 in D412, and VT320 in D463), and many customers actually used the emulation mode rather than DG native mode. It'd be good to know what mode the application actually requires. > If, by some chance, the Data General terminal model being replaced is > D410, Neoware Systems has a product that emulates it under Solaris: > > http://www.neoware.com/products/teemtalk/teemtalk_for_unix.html I think there are others ... http://www.omniplex.ltd.uk/infouk.asp?prodid=2138736404 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Message-ID: <2d817294.0206030649.6b38831c@posting.google.com> Organization: Bluefield Regional Medical Center, West Virginia Date: 3 Jun 2002 07:49:58 -0700 From: Bill Hibbitts Subject: Data General 5220 MT terminals for sale I have about 250 DG 5220 MT terminals for sale. Most are in good condition. I also have a few Esprit 125C that I would like include. Please email me at "bill@brmcwv.org". Buyer will be responsible for securing shipping and handling. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.176.63.63 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1163710730.791812.77390@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Date: 16 Nov 2006 12:58:50 -0800 From: Ron Kneusel Subject: DG Dasher D200 terminal on a linux box? Greetings! For nostalga reasons I'm thinking of getting a Data General Dasher 200 terminal and would want to use it on a linux box. Anyone know what sort of baud rate it uses and the pinouts so I can build the proper cable? Thanks! Ron oneelkruns@hotmail.com .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.terminals NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) References: <1163710730.791812.77390@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Organization: multi-cellular, biological Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Subject: Re: DG Dasher D200 terminal on a linux box? "Ron Kneusel" spake the secret code <1163710730.791812.77390@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> thusly: > >For nostalga reasons I'm thinking of getting a Data General Dasher 200 >terminal and would want to use it on a linux box. Anyone know what >sort of baud rate it uses and the pinouts so I can build the proper >cable? Wow, a Dasher 200. Do you actually have one? That's a pretty early terminal and as a collector of terminals I don't see them too often. I think I've seen one on ebay in the past couple years. For a terminal of this period, I would not expect it to do any faster than 19,200 baud. I'm not familiar with the specifics of this terminal, but it might not do any better than 9600. Looks like manx has a bunch of docs on the Dasher: http://www.vt100.net/manx/search?on=0&cp=10&q=dasher Wow, I see there was a color terminal too. Cool! Unfortunately it doesn't look like the D2xx stuff is online. The D210/D211 user's manual has a date of 1983, so that would mean 19.2Kbps is feasible. You won't harm anything by trying various baud rates until you find the one that works. As for the cable, you might have luck by tracing the connections inside the cabinet to identify which ones are ground and which ones appear to be transmit and receive. Identifying hardware flow control might be harder, it would depend on what's inside. If its just going into programmable I/O pins on a microprocessor, it could be anything, but if its going to an RS-232 style communication chip, then you could possibly work backwards from the chip pinout. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download Legalize Adulthood! //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////