News about AT&T Terminals ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// *--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--*--<>--* \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ As of July A.D. 2006, some information on the AT&T/Teletype 5620 Dot-Mapped Display Terminal (the first commercial version of Rob Pike's BLIT terminal) is available on the web here: http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/att/5620/ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-74-74-225-216.rochester.res.rr.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:12:35 -0000 From: John Subject: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals I really like old hardware, and I'm into the Plan 9 operating system, so these are doubly interesting to me. Does anyone know where I could obtain a 5620 terminal or its descendant, the gnot? The 5620 newsgroup is shut down, and there doesn't seem to be much chatter about them at all in the last 5 years or so. John .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals References: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Organization: Jeff's House of Electronic Parts Date: 30 Oct 2007 20:13:31 -0400 From: Jeff Jonas Subject: Re: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals >I really like old hardware, and I'm into the Plan 9 operating system, >so these are doubly interesting to me. Does anyone know where I could >obtain a 5620 terminal or its descendant, the gnot? The 5620 and later versions were sold by AT&T Information Systems so they're probably available (particularly since someone already followed up by saying he's selling one). If the mouse is not included, it's a standard 3-button bus mouse with the DB9 Logitech pinout. The red dome Depraz mice are still considered the most comfortable mice ever made. I think the metal ball was first (requiring a mouse pad), then a plastic ball was tried for allegedly better grip. The GNOT is probably harder to get. I worked at AT&T IS for years and never saw one (although I got a GNAT: General Network Access Terminal at the Trenton Computer Fest. It's a Z80 based AMD3A work-alike, part of the SPYDER network of GN* devices: GNOME, GNAT, GNOT). -- -- mejeep deMeep ferret! .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals References: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <13ihh4caffg4g1b@corp.supernews.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:08:09 -0500 From: rob kas Subject: Re: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals | I have a 730 MTG complete with Ethernet card and X11 R3 Cart. | I'd have to agree when the mouse worked they were awesome. | What they really needed was better keyboards. ATT really made reliable gear, just couldn't make it available at a cost the masses could afford. Bob k .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals References: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <13ihh4caffg4g1b@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Organization: multi-cellular, biological Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:41:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Subject: Re: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals "rob kas" spake the secret code <13ihh4caffg4g1b@corp.supernews.com> thusly: >| I have a 730 MTG complete with Ethernet card and X11 R3 Cart. >| I'd have to agree when the mouse worked they were awesome. >| What they really needed was better keyboards. > > ATT really made reliable gear, just couldn't make it available at a cost the > masses could afford. As someone who collects vintage serial terminals *and* graphics systems, this stuff is tremendously interesting to me! My intention is to open a brick-and-morter computer graphics history museum in Salt Lake City. These would be really good items to bridge the gap between the era of graphics terminals and the era of graphics workstations. I'd love to talk swap/purchase with anyone that owns one of these... -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals NNTP-Posting-Host: faeroes.freeshell.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System, est. 1987 - sdf.lonestar.org References: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:26:18 +0000 (UTC) From: SDF Poster Subject: Re: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals > so these are doubly interesting to me. Does anyone know where I could > obtain a 5620 terminal or its descendant, the gnot? The 5620 newsgroup > is shut down, and there doesn't seem to be much chatter about them at > all in the last 5 years or so. Yes, that is unfortunate. I'll have SDF's TTY5620 on display at the VCF X (computer history museum) in less than 2 weeks. I have one that I am interested in selling, but based on the potential demand, I'm considering putting it on ebay and just seeing how high it would go. http://sdf1.org/index.cgi?tour/1997/index .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals References: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <13ihh4caffg4g1b@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Organization: multi-cellular, biological Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 03:26:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Subject: Re: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals martians@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org (SDF Poster) spake the secret code thusly: >The TTY5620 will be on display at the Vintage Computer Festival at the >Computer History Museum Nov 3rd and 4th. Stop by and play with it. Oh, I'll definately be coming by to see that. Will it be available for poking and prodding all day long? More importantly, will *you* be available all day long? I'm going to be splitting my time between VCF and nanotech event and I'd like to make sure we synchronize. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att, comp.terminals NNTP-Posting-Host: faeroes.freeshell.org References: <1193181155.161030.59790@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <13ihh4caffg4g1b@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System, est. 1987 - sdf.lonestar.org Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:48:08 +0000 (UTC) From: SDF Poster Subject: Re: blit (tty5620) and gnot terminals In article , Richard <> wrote: > > Oh, I'll definately be coming by to see that. Will it be available > for poking and prodding all day long? More importantly, will *you* be > available all day long? I'm going to be splitting my time between VCF > and the nanotech event and I'd like to make sure we synchronize. Yes, it will be there up and running with its 3b2/500 host system (ex sdf.lonestar.org) running SVR 3.2.3. That will also be available via TELNET for folks in the know. There will also be the TTY5620 manual set, so if I happen to not be around, please enjoy yourself. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!kd4nc!dug Message-ID: <1993Jan7.064659.4811@kd4nc.uucp> References: <1ibbmhINNbic@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> Organization: KD4NC HAM Packet Radio Gateway Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:46:59 GMT From: dug@kd4nc.uucp (Doug Drye KD4NC) Subject: Re: AT&T 705 info wanted warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy) writes: > > I just got ahold of an AT&T 705 "multitasking" terminal. It's rather nice > because it emulates vt100/vt220/vt320 terminals, but if I can get it to run > in 705 mode it can use RTS/CTS and get up to 38.4kbps (rather than XON/XOFF > at 19.2kbps). If anyone has a termcap and/or terminfo entry for it, I'd > really like to get ahold of it. Truly a nice terminal.. Sorry don't have the terminfo.. I just use the 605 one, works well enough for me... > It also has a 8-pin modular jack on the back for a second serial port. If > anyone has a pinout for it, I'd like to get ahold of it too. It's proved > rather difficult to guess at. From the AT&T 705 Multi-tasking terminal user's guide Page 8-8,8-9 Port 1 Interface modular 10 pin Connector Left side Right side Pin 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Key (notch) at bottom Pin 1 DSR 3 DCD 4 DTR 5 Sig Ground 6 RD 7 SD 8 CTS 9 RTS 10 Frame Ground The manual is 189 pages and is loaded with details about the escape codes, etc..... Available from AT&T CIC 800-432-6600... ask for Document number 999-300-660.. I have no idea what the price is... Good Luck... -- Doug Drye KD4NC ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com !ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!isuvax.iastate.edu!TZB76 Message-ID: Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa References: <1993Mar25.195928.4893@ee.gatech.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 05:11:59 GMT From: tzb76@isuvax.iastate.edu Subject: Re: Help configuring an ATT 5620 ! >I have recently acquired an old ATT 5620, the ones with >a tall green screen and a red mouse... However, I dont >know how to configure it, baud rate etc. I push setup >but dont know how to save the configuration. > >Does anyone out there remember how, or possibly still >have one floating around? > >Also, i know there is an Asteroid type game that is secretly >accessible. Does anyone remember how to do that? Thanks. > >-- >Mark Austin >Georgia Tech, Wireless Communications Group >School of Electrical Engineering, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250 >E-MAIL: austin@eecom.gatech.edu PHONE: (404) 853-9370 Well, I and a friend just picked up a few of these babies real cheap. I had no problem changing the cnfiguration. Press the setup key, then little windows should appear on the bottom of the screen corresponding to the function keys. Press the appropriate function key to toggle thru the options, or to go to another menu of little boxes. You can also klick on the boxes with the mouse. The machine I had has a battery, and automaticly retained the settings. (You can see this on the main board--its about the size of a Certs roll) Anyway, as far as running a games on it, I would susspect, that it(like the neat windowing software) is loaded from a host, and runs on the machine. My friend has the public software 'layers' source for 486bsd (?), which is a nifty windowing system for unix environments, a precursor to X. Anyway, this is loaded from the host machine somehow. I havent paid too much attention to this aspect( You can use it as an ordinary terminsl), as I cant do the download over phone lines (software flow control screws it up). He, however, is trying to get the layers program to compile on his 386pc machine, which he has running unix--then he'd have an incredibly cheap bitmapped windowed display that doesn't take much processor time or machine memory, as it resides and runs in the terminal.... Paul Thompson ps. If your machine doesnt behave like I said it should, it may be toast.(Or it may be something simple like fixing the keyboard cable, or replacing the battery on the board (soldering a new one in)). Anyway, if you cant make any use out of it, I would be interested in the red mouse, as my friend and I have only one dammaged one between us... Please keep me in mind... pps. If there is a resident game, and you discover something about it, PLEASE write back about it to me. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu !bgsuvax!att!cbnewsc!daj Message-ID: Summary: AT&T 610 Response References: <9308211704.AA13300@freenet.buffalo.edu> Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 12:31:19 GMT From: daj@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (david.a.jones) Subject: Re: What is GPO on a Vt100 "style" terminal? In article <9308211704.AA13300@freenet.buffalo.edu>, ad302@freenet.buffalo.edu writes: > > >I have asked this before but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. > ... Elizabeth, I remember your post. I didn't know about AVO or GPO so I didn't respond. Your original post also included the AT&T 610 response to ESC[0c. After reading some of the replies I thought you might be interested in AT&T's definition of the returned parameters. ps1 Windowing terminal indicator 7 = non-windowing terminal (e.g. 610, 605) 8 = windowing terminal (e.g. 615, 620, 630, 705, 715, 730) ps2 Terminal type 0 = 620 1 = 630 4 = 610/615 5 = 605 ps3 Firmware release version Hope this helps. David A. Jones att!ihc!daj ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com !MathWorks.Com!transfer.stratus.com!xylogics.com!Xylogics.COM!carlson From: carlson@Xylogics.COM (James Carlson) Subject: Re: Info abut AT&T / NCR terminals. Date: 23 Dec 1993 15:20:05 GMT Organization: Xylogics Incorporated Message-ID: <2fccv5$1h3@newhub.xylogics.com> References: <2fcc24INN5pk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <2fcc24INN5pk@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, gak@cmos.engin.umich.edu (Ghazanfar ali Khan) writes: |> |> Does anyone know how to configure an AT&T Xterminal that I inherited |> sans any documnetation. It used to work of an RS-232 but now I need to |> configure it to work over a thinnet. I cannot find any DIP switches or |> access to config ROMS. Any help `ll be greatly appreciated. |> |> Thanks On the one I once used, you pressed both shift keys at the same time and held them for two seconds. A little box would appear in the lower right corner with four icons in it -- one of them is the configuration window, just click on it to bring it up. -- James Carlson Tel: +1 617 272 8140 Annex Software Support / Xylogics, Inc. +1 800 225 3317 53 Third Avenue / Burlington MA 01803-4491 Fax: +1 617 272 3159 [Yes, this is the same James D. Carlson who wrote the book on PPP.] ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.terminals Path: cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!fnnews.fnal.gov!mp.cs.niu.edu !vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu !news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!nwnexus!amc-gw!dsinet!daveb From: daveb@dgtl.com (David Breneman) Subject: Re: AT&T 610 Terminals forsale Message-ID: <5056@dsinet> Date: 6 Feb 95 23:05:08 GMT References: <3grha9$t56@gagme.wwa.com> Organization: Digital Systems International, Redmond WA Darrell Turner (ferrari@netaxs.com) wrote: : In article <3grha9$t56@gagme.wwa.com>, jason@gagme.wwa.com (Jason M. : Vanick) wrote: : : > We have 3 AT&T 610 terminals with keyboards, and 1 without. All are in : > working condition. We would like to get $50 per terminal with keyboard : > and $25 for the one without a keyboard. I'll take $150 for everything. : : I'm not familiar with that exact terminal, what emulations does it : support, and it just connects via a serial port, right? It emulates an AT&T 610! :-) You can get a plug-in circuit board to make it emulate a 4425, but *why* anybody would want to emulate a 4425 is beyond me. BTW, the AT&T 610 is one of the best dumb terminals ever made. Great keyboard. -- David Breneman Email: daveb@jaws.engineering.dgtl.com Systems Administrator, Voice: +1 206 881-7544 Fax: +1 206 556-8033 Product Development Platforms Digital Systems International, Inc. Redmond, Washington, U. S. o' A. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Path: utkcs2!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net !news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu !portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.terminals Date: 25 Nov 1996 17:43:56 GMT Message-ID: <19961125174500.MAA19164@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <577c4n$49a@rouge.usl.edu> From: danmargoli@aol.com Subject: Re: windows 3.11 AT&T emulation In article <577c4n$49a@rouge.usl.edu>, mahler@usl.edu (Stephen J. Mahler) writes: > Looking for any and all pointers for terminal emulators that will > provide AT&T 513 or AT&T 4410 or AT&T 610 service under windows 3.11. > In particular, looking to find an emulator to work with a Lucent G3R > switch and a Lucent Inututy Audix. Please mail to mahler@usl.edu. > > Thanks for any pointers .... > .. Steve 4410 is not an AT&T terminal. You'll find a 4410 emulator on many communications packages. Lucent technicians use Terranova for accessing G3R and Intuity Audix. Dan Margolis Danmargoli@aol.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals From: mkn@olivetti.be (Marc) Reply-To: mkn@olivetti.be Subject: Re: What terminal for 3b2/310? Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <4jvtgd$its@news.be.innet.net> References: <4juov3$jqq@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> sithoa@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Allen Sitho) wrote: > >Hi, > I got myself an AT&T 3b2/310 computer and wonder what type of terminal > and connector I will need. Much thanks. > __ > \ \ _ _ ,---------------------, > \**\ ___\/ \...............| Allen Sitho | > X*#####*+~~\__\ `---------------------' > o/\ \ > \__\ Hi Allen, First of all : you bought a good machine :) The 3B2's need as terminal anything that can emulate VT100. Let's say WYSE series (60, 65, ...), DEC. As you maybe know also other settings are important to get a picture. Standard settings for the console are : 9600, async, 7 bit, even parity (if I remember well). But again, those settings you can modify in the setup of the 3B2. Connector : -------- On the 3B2 you have a so called RJ-type, 8pins, connector. On the terminal it depends of the make. Wyse has a DB25 connector. Cables : ----- You need the original AT&T cable (code : 403600976) combined with a converter who will cross the signals. This converter you have in two kinds : - MTP : Male Terminal Printer - FTP : Female Terminal Printer As the word says : Male terminal Printer is used to connect a terminal or printer equiped with a Female connector on the device. And vice versa. But, you can also make a cable yourself (see pin layout later). A small word concerning the cable : --------------------------------- the AT&T cable is a so called straight mirrored cable. In English it means that the crossing is done in the convertor and the cable is a straight (non-crossed) one. The signals (pin-layout): ----------------------- side 3B2 side terminal terminal on system (MTP or FTP) DB25 8 1 1 (Frame ground) 7 2 4 (RTS) 6 3 3 (RXD) 5 4 8 (DCD) 4 5 2 (TXD) 3 6 20 + 6 (DTR + DSR) 2 7 7 (Signal Ground) 1 8 5 (CTS) Hope this helps. Marc (mkn@olivetti.be) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.terminals Message-ID: <6uli9r$ov3@ssbunews.ih.lucent.com> References: <6tj2hq$1ac$1@newton.isa.de> Date: 27 Sep 1998 14:32:27 GMT From: "-Light,J.R." Subject: Re: AT&T 605 Terminal The AT&T605 has an ANSI terminal mode which should permit VT-100 compatibility. It also has a PC mode to emulate the PC keyboard. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.sys.att Message-ID: Organization: wyvern.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 16:59:44 GMT From: asoper@wyvern.wyvern.com (Aubrey Soper) Subject: AT&T terminal help needed I bought some terminals, AT&T Model 56C 610 AAA, which when turned on say: BASE CARD: PROCESSOR : PASS EPROM : PASS 256KRAM : PASS SSI : PASS VCP : PASS then the screen clears and the message WAIT appears on the bottom line. Ad infinitum. They have locks on the right side of the display, and they just sit there in the WAIT mode, no matter which position the key is in. They have (only) an RJ45 (8 pin) jack for connection to the outside world, (in addition to the keyboard jack). Can some helpful soul tell me WHY they have 256K of RAM, and what "SSI" and "VCP" mean? Anything else? thank you asoper@wyvern.com -- aubrey --- ; ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>' ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> .............................................................................. Newsgroups: comp.sys.att Message-ID: References: Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Date: 10 Jun 1993 18:30:42 GMT From: "james.j.menth" Subject: Re: AT&T terminal help needed In article Aubrey Soper writes: > >I bought some termainals, AT&T Model 56C 610 AAA, >that when turned on say: > other details deleted.... > >Can some helpful soul tell me WHY they have 256K >of RAM, and what SSI and VCP mean? Anything else? > >thank you > >asoper@wyvern.com >-- > >aubrey >--- ; >><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>' ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> Aubrey: These terminals are (DEPENDING ON THE LOGO) 6539 MFT (Multi-function) terminals. They are, unfortunately, designed to work with the 6500 series of multi-function cluster controllers (MCC). The "SSI" you observered in the self test stands for "standard serial interface" and is a 56kbps serial link implemented in proprietary silicon. The MCC was AT&T's (and later MEMOREX's) version of the 3270 IBM clusters, such as 3274 and 3174. Each MFT could support sessions with up to 16 hosts (4 at a time in separate windows) ( I am typing this reply on one in an asynchronous window emulating a VT220 color terminal. ) [Archiver's Note: perhaps he means a VT241, because a real DEC VT220 has only a monochrome screen, either green or amber. ...RSS] Without the cluster controller the terminal is non-functional. All the terminal fuctionality was downloaded from the cluster and the WAIT prompt would change to LOAD when the unit is connected to a functioning cluster controller. The only program in the stand-alone terminal are the ssi drivers, and self-test programs. For example if you depress any keyboard key when powering up, the keyboard and display test mode will be entered. Note that each key depressed gives a code and the release also gives a code, different by one bit. The repeat function was implemented in software so that any key could repeat, depending on the application. This is probably more information than you needed on devices that are useless without the controller but are actually robust and reliable when hooked to a controller. Features included: synchronous (bysync,TOKEN RING, and SNA), async up to 19.2, programmable windows (SIZE, POSITION, COLOR) user programable PLAY keys (used to record and replay long key sequences) printer support with user route selection, transfer of data between windows (including ASCII to EDCDIC conversion), incoming asynchronouys support including host switching and protocol conversion, and many others. The 6500 product line was introduced and manuctured at AT&T's Little Rock Operations Center until the product line was purchased by Memorex-Telex several years ago. Memorex-Telex still supports the product and has continued developing new hardware and features. Jim Menth at Little Rock jjm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////